future of deliveries. email to bob gibson

[daveyeff]

our rep received this today. and said to put it on here to gage the response. don't know how to post it so I have to copy it... its an Email from the north east div/rep to bob Gibson. it makes you wonder who's side the hierarchy are on....:- hi bob, please find below a collation of ideas and suggestions from area delivery reps in the north east division. FUTURE DELIVERY SPANS OPTIONS( based on 6 hours delivery)...1.delivery spans of 6 hrs with use of singleton vans and scheduled meal relief whilst out on delivery. 2. single van deliveries with a delivery span of 2x3 hrs with a return to office for meal relief. 3. shared van deliveries of 2x3 hrs with a return to office to take meal relief. 4. all of the above have a return to office policy after last letter, imposed meal reliefs and stringent H&S measures to combat fatigue. FULL TIME WORKING IDEAS AND REDUCING EFFECT OF 6 HR DELIVERY SPANS. 1. 6 hrs spans as above for full time working. 2. hybrid duties including collection work. 3. hybrid duties including IVO work. 4. cross functional work with mail centres where D.O.s are in travelling distance. 5. rotating duties from mail centres, collection hubs, IVOs and delivery so people only do a delivery once every other week or 1 in three. 6.introducing more HTCs where possible on delivery which would mean looking at vans so a HTC can fit in and be used outside of the 1 mile radius of a D.O. at present. 7.annualised/term time hrs could be looked at to assist full time working based on traffic fluctuations. NEW PRODUCTS THAT COULD ENHANCE FULL TIME WORKING. 1. timed deliveries for all mail. 2.premium packet deliveries 7am to 7pm. 3. same day delivery. 4. local to local delivery eg..within the delivery area of the office so if a TSO has mail to be collected can it be brought back to the office and go out with the 2nd wave of deliveries. 5. premium business deliveries 7am to 10pm.... that's it so far i'll post page 2 shortly....any thoughts yet?

[SpacePhoenix]

4. cross functional work with mail centres where D.O.s are in travelling distance.

No idea what they mean by cross functional work

5. rotating duties from mail centres, collection hubs, IVOs and delivery so people only do a delivery once every other week or 1 in three.

Can't see that working, there aren't many sit-down jobs left in MCs, if the XMS machines do get brought in then there'll be no sit down jobs

[daveyeff]

page 2. .... PLANNING TOOLS.:- 1. there needs to be a full understanding of the PDA and what they can be used for to enhance our working conditions on delivery. 2. the model week needs to be looked at if delivery spans are going to be based on 6 hrs there is little scope to flex up in the morning on indoor workload without affecting outdoor spans. 3.the breakdown of mail needs to be looked at taking into account the decrease in letter traffic and the increase in parcel traffic and the affect it has on outdoor delivery call rate, delivery to neighbour, doorstep scanning etc. 4. the outdoor tool would need to incorporate the rest and relation elements currently being discussed. 5. indoor kit needs to be looked at if the CLLSS machine comes in then there is little need for RM 2000 fittings so what kind of merge process can we have. CWU NEEDS/WISH LIST. 1.shorter working week is a must for delivery and we need to look at reducing the full time working week as much as possible without going to part time working. 2.increased annual leave should be looked at to ensure people can get more time off. 3. extending meal reliefs if possible. 4. enforced standards of meal reliefs, use of equipment has to be mandatory and enforced by RM. 5.current shoe wear must be looked at with more analysis in the future on what kind of shoe/boot fit best depending on age, height, weight of a person. 6.MTSF must not be allowed to disappear there is a clear need for this to remain for the future. 7. discussions on the future of delivery must not be functionalised and there is a need that all discussions should cover the entire industrial indoor and outdoor network, processing distribution etc. 8. delivery must be the driver in the discussion ensuring delivery influence their start and finish times/ attendance patterns and other functions support this policy. ..... that's it...it ends saying the north east reps will be using this document to encourage debate within their delivery offices and across the division with delivery unit reps. kind regards...all comments appreciated for discussion.

[daveyeff]

I would imagine cross functional work will mean D.O. staff going down the mail centre. its all full of holes. surely this CANT be our union discussing this. its sanctioning mass redundancies.

[daveyeff]

number 5 on their wish list is a f****** disgrace. new boots, nothing about fighting the 25 thousand redundancies or fighting a 6 hr delivery....they want us to have new boots!!..FFS.

[SpacePhoenix]

I would imagine cross functional work will mean D.O. staff going down the mail centre. its all full of holes. surely this CANT be our union discussing this. its sanctioning mass redundancies.

Only way that would work is if the DO staff went in and done 17:00-21:00 in the MC

[daveyeff]

another flaw in their ideas... part time staff are 6 hrs a day. this was pointed out. their reply?.... we'll need to get more part time staff made up to full time.... there is going to be 25k redundancies because deliveries need to be split up and re-allocated to other duties to make them up to 6 hr deliveries. but they are going to get more part timers made up. they live in cloud cuckoo land.

[edwardo]

All drivers then , no walking

[pants123]

6 hour delivery...... no chance....

Bob gibson, an idiot.....

Protecting full time jobs,, not when it put everyone in hospital, and taking a break out after 3 hours, in the rain.... really these idiots are morons..

[gary1975]

That must be what that meeting is about in Newcastle next week 6 hr deliveries holy s**t

[Pidleypoo]

We all know 6hr delivery spans means 7-8 in reality.
What happened to the "achievable workload" from the last deal because in our office it's anything but.

[bensonhedge]

Why no mention of collapsing???

[franco1]

Collapsing as in lapsing, absorption or collapsing as in on your feet from 6-7hr deliveries??

[crazyshrew]

I hope you don't mind that I added some formatting to make you post easier to read

these are my thoughts, tackled section by section

Delivery spans
I like the idea of the 2x3 hrs. coming back to the office in between and having a sensible place to have your break makes sense. 6 solid hours in the sun, rain, freezing cold with nowhere to shelter for you break is only going to lead to an increase in sickness.

Full time working....
I guess most of those have been thought out with a certain sized/located office in mind. We have 30ish walks, and only 3 collections atm (and only 1 on a saturday) so not a lot of scope for introduction of hybrid duties. As for rotating duties with indoor work, we only have one indoor job and are too far away from a mail centre or even MPU for that to be viable. I'm sure it could work in a few places but very limited.

New products...
Without a doubt new/different products are needed, a happy compromise between SD and tracked available for the average domestic customer is a must. Scan on doorstep, with a signature OPTION. Get rid of recorded deliveries. People don't fully understand it they think it's treated and tracked the same as a special
Royal mail already has a dedicated same day courier service, I'm not sure it could be easily absorbed in to our side of the business and if it was, it would be a nightmare to manage.

Planning tools..
I don't know much about this but from what I experience, if RM and the Union believe they have adequate tools, those tools need a good clean up and sharpening.

Wish list...
Nothing I can disagree with there.
Is point 2 about an increase in our personal leave allowances or about ensuring everybody is able to take their allowance?

our rep received this today. and said to put it on here to gage the response.
its an Email from the north east div/rep to bob Gibson. it makes you wonder who's side the hierarchy are on....:-

hi bob, please find below a collation of ideas and suggestions from area delivery reps in the north east division.

FUTURE DELIVERY SPANS OPTIONS( based on 6 hours delivery)...
1.delivery spans of 6 hrs with use of singleton vans and scheduled meal relief whilst out on delivery.
2. single van deliveries with a delivery span of 2x3 hrs with a return to office for meal relief.
3. shared van deliveries of 2x3 hrs with a return to office to take meal relief.
4. all of the above have a return to office policy after last letter, imposed meal reliefs and stringent H&S measures to combat fatigue.

FULL TIME WORKING IDEAS AND REDUCING EFFECT OF 6 HR DELIVERY SPANS.
1. 6 hrs spans as above for full time working.
2. hybrid duties including collection work.
3. hybrid duties including IVO work.
4. cross functional work with mail centres where D.O.s are in travelling distance.
5. rotating duties from mail centres, collection hubs, IVOs and delivery so people only do a delivery once every other week or 1 in three.
6.introducing more HTCs where possible on delivery which would mean looking at vans so a HTC can fit in and be used outside of the 1 mile radius of a D.O. at present.
7.annualised/term time hrs could be looked at to assist full time working based on traffic fluctuations.

NEW PRODUCTS THAT COULD ENHANCE FULL TIME WORKING.
1. timed deliveries for all mail.
2.premium packet deliveries 7am to 7pm.
3. same day delivery.
4. local to local delivery eg..within the delivery area of the office so if a TSO has mail to be collected can it be brought back to the office and go out with the 2nd wave of deliveries.
5. premium business deliveries 7am to 10pm....

page 2. ....
PLANNING TOOLS.:-
1. there needs to be a full understanding of the PDA and what they can be used for to enhance our working conditions on delivery.
2. the model week needs to be looked at if delivery spans are going to be based on 6 hrs there is little scope to flex up in the morning on indoor workload without affecting outdoor spans.
3.the breakdown of mail needs to be looked at taking into account the decrease in letter traffic and the increase in parcel traffic and the affect it has on outdoor delivery call rate, delivery to neighbour, doorstep scanning etc.
4. the outdoor tool would need to incorporate the rest and relation elements currently being discussed.
5. indoor kit needs to be looked at if the CLLSS machine comes in then there is little need for RM 2000 fittings so what kind of merge process can we have.

CWU NEEDS/WISH LIST.
1.shorter working week is a must for delivery and we need to look at reducing the full time working week as much as possible without going to part time working.
2.increased annual leave should be looked at to ensure people can get more time off.
3. extending meal reliefs if possible.
4. enforced standards of meal reliefs, use of equipment has to be mandatory and enforced by RM.
5.current shoe wear must be looked at with more analysis in the future on what kind of shoe/boot fit best depending on age, height, weight of a person. 6.MTSF must not be allowed to disappear there is a clear need for this to remain for the future
7. discussions on the future of delivery must not be functionalised and there is a need that all discussions should cover the entire industrial indoor and outdoor network, processing distribution etc.
8. delivery must be the driver in the discussion ensuring delivery influence their start and finish times/ attendance patterns and other functions support this policy. .....

that's it...it ends saying the north east reps will be using this document to encourage debate within their delivery offices and across the division with delivery unit reps. kind regards...all comments appreciated for discussion

[k979aaa]

Shorter working week for the same pay anyone? like 33 hours without meal reliefs? if not they can do one!