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EDIT: Added slides in pdf format
Cwu National Briefing.pdf

What Dingo has posted a couple of pages down, please read the whole thread as there are a few more bits of info.
dingo wrote:A few observations from the Briefing today !

Royal Mail want to cut costs , the only part of Royal Mail which is making money is GLS.

In 2007 Royal Mail delivered 23 billion letters costing 5 pence

In 2016 Royal Mail delivered 13 billion letters at 12 pence per item

They expect in 10 years letters will be 7 billion and the cost per item will be 22 pence.

Parcels traffic below shoe boxed has flatlined , parcel traffic above shoe box size has grown as has tracked.

What have Royal Mail put on the table

Removal of Area Reps

RRIS removed unless the rentention or recruitment in an area demands and they don't think it does. Those being paid RRIS have a range from £5 to £35

Removal of TPM , PHG , LGV , Election payments , Driving allowance , Dawn payments and any legacy bonus money

Monthly pay

Royal Mail automatically want to issue stage 1 & 2s warning.

Apart from the proposal to not pay sick leave for first 3 days they will only pay full sick pay for a maximum 8 weeks and half pay for a maximum of 8 weeks. This is only for people who have been employed for more than 4 years. For employees who have less than 4 years their sick leave is less.

For a new starts Royal Mail want to reduce from 90% of the pay rate to 80. They will not pay these shift allowances and only them single rate of overtime. They will no longer go to the full rate after 18 months up to 3 years.

In terms of the Strategy

It is the multiple buddle delivery model where the first 90% of sequencing will not be sorted into the frame and will mean later starts.

They also want Team working so you cover sick leave , rest days , annual leave within your team with no overtime .

They want too have you work more hours at christmas and less hours in the summer.

Plus they want to introduce a concept called heavy and light days. So say on a Monday , Weds and Friday you will be deliver all the traffic and on a Tuesday , Thursday and Saturday you will only deliver 1st Class and parcels which will cut jobs as the only way a full timer can keep a job if they do two deliveries on the lighter day.


There are various other things such as data capture , MTSF cuts etc which are all further attacks on our conditions.

The line in the sand has been drawn your have to decide whether you support your union or you accept Royal Mail's proposals ?
Very informative letter from Essex Amalgamated Branch
Essex Amalgamated Branch wrote:Dear Colleagues
Royal Mail Pay / Pensions / Shorter Working Week negotiations update. 29.03.17

Let your Branch apologise upfront for the length of this email. Whilst it may be lengthy, we believe that it is important to give you as thorough a report on the current negotiating positions as possible & all the elements being discussed.

Terry Pullinger (DGSP – Deputy General Secretary Postal) opened the briefing indicating that we should recognise that this was the start of negotiations and as such positions will change going forward. It was also stated that all the elements of Royal Mail’s ‘wish list’ have been mentioned by Royal Mail in discussion in some form in the last couple of months and these would be on their agenda at some point.

He also said “that the 4 Pillars of Security (CWU Proposals) is the Union taking the issues to the employer” and that with the onset of the digital world & competition “waiting until 2019 will be too late”. Also that by submitting our proposals has ‘drawn the employers position out’ on all matters relating to our future employment in Royal Mail.

Terry also stated that the “current thinking of management is shocking” in relation to the discussions and that “Royal Mail are intent on maintaining profit levels to pay the shareholders through the same old post-privatisation thinking of reducing employee headcount & attacking our terms & conditions which also includes our pensions”.
A number of slides were used for the presentation and below are elements of these:
Royal Mail’s pay discussions agenda (what Royal Mail want);
  • Improve financial efficiency by 2-3%
    New structure to starters and new employee’s pay (see ‘A’ below)
    Removal of old outdated legacy payments (see ‘B’ below)
    Removal of duplication of pay, such as election payments
    Move to monthly pay
    Restructure the Xmas payment to provide incentive to deliver Xmas
    Restructure the MTSF Agreement (all worse terms – pay protection, etc)
    Review both RRIS & TPM
    Increase the emphasis on professionalising our Agreements through simplification & removal of duplication
    A new process around trials / pilots (see “C” below)
    More effective ways of dealing with attendance warnings & dismissals (see “D” below)
    Realigning the IR Framework to fit the business network towards change at pace
    Seek to trial ways of removing the need for absorption lapsing (CWU agree this in principle)
    Develop an overall approach to data & technology
    Trial different approaches to a new employee proposition
    Delivery of the current activity intended to support & underpin an improving business

A - New structure to starters and new employee’s pay
The following to be applied to all grades (OPGs, engineers, etc)
Recruitment rate reduced from the present 90% to 80% of the hourly rate
Mid point pay rate reduced from the present 95% to 90% of the hourly rate
Mid pay point increased from the present 6 months to 18 months
Maximum pay rate after 3 years – currently 1 year
Monthly pay
Sick pay - first 3 days unpaid
- Year 1, SSP only
- Year 2, 4 weeks full & 4 weeks half pay
- Year 3, 6 weeks full & 6 weeks half pay
- Year 4 ongoing, 8 weeks full & 8 weeks half pay
7 day working - no premiums for weekend working
A single overtime rate including any contractual overtime (S/A)
Holiday entry entitlement 20 days (22.5 days at present), after 5 years 23.5 (as now)
Movement to different shifts to cover peak periods (total flexibility)
London weighting only (where relevant). No other allowance or supplement (e.g. function payments)

B - Removal of old outdated legacy payments
2000 Driver’s allowance
2000 PHG allowance
PBS / ICS bonus
Time bonus
Road Network Scheme
2007 early shift protection
2007 Way Forward protection
LA1 Supplement
Pay Protection
Network 2007
Reserved Rights Night shift (both higher PHG rate & protected pensionability)
LGV allowance

C - A new process around trials / pilots
Currently any trial or pilot that is introduced, does so on the basis of adhering to safeguards built into a Terms of Reference or Agreement that ensures the following; controlled implementation, timeframe for the trial / pilot, joint (RM & CWU) input, joint evaluation and jointly agreeing the outputs from these initiatives.
Royal Mail want to remove all of these safeguards & CWU involvement below national level. They want to introduce initiatives that will only be trialled for a maximum of 90 days and at the end of this period, if Royal Mail think they are warranted, roll out the changes nationally. No discussions or negotiations with your Union – Royal Mail will introduce ‘new ways of working’ as and when they see fit.

D - More effective ways of dealing with attendance warnings & dismissals
Royal Mail want to do away with the current process, whereby members are entitled to representation at all stages of the Attendance Procedure. Royal Mail want to introduce a much harsher approach – all reviews which are triggered will be automatically issued (some say they are already). This means that there will be no point in the procedure where mitigation will be taken into account.

Following Terry’s presentation a number of presentations were given by National Officers of the Union – these were by Ray Ellis (Assistant Secretary Postal), Davie Robertson (Assistant Secretary Processing / Logistics) & Mark Baulch (Assistant Secretary Elect Outdoor).
Ray Ellis gave a presentation on what Royal Mail want as part of the negotiations, also the CWUs points for negotiation. These points are below;
Royal Mail’s points
Simplification of agreements (CWU agree this)
Trials (as identified above)

IR Framework – Royal Mail want to remove all CWU Area Representatives. This would mean that all issues would be raised at local level and then progressed directly to national level – obviously, the support structure of the Area Reps would be lost for good if we allow this. It is crystal clear why Royal Mail want to dispose of the Area Rep position – these are the Reps that support the local Reps, ensure agreements are adhered too, challenge the bullying & intimidation tactics of managers and continually cause Royal Mail most problems.
Compliance of agreements (CWU agree this and it was pointed out that it would be good if managers would follow this mantra locally)
RRIS & TPM
MTSF (as identified above)
Attendance (as identified above)
CWU’s points
Expansion of legal protections in the Agenda for Growth
Annual Leave
Effects on Royal Mail functions (Delivery, Processing & Logistics)

Both Mark Baulch & Davie Robertson reiterated points which have been made in previous communications. In that the ‘re-design of the pipeline’ in Royal Mail’s terms meant that everything moved back timewise by a number of hours.

What Royal Mail want is a later LAT (latest acceptance time) for collected mail. Royal Mail see this as an integral part of dealing with competition, by getting into the emerging market of rapid / next day delivery of items ordered online.

However, should the LAT be pushed back this will have a negative impact on all functions; Processing – duty attendance patterns, start & finish times would potentially change by several hours. Logistics / Distribution - duty attendance patterns, start & finish times would potentially change by several hours. Additionally, there would be the need for less vehicles and therefore drivers. Delivery - duty attendance patterns, start & finish times would potentially change by several hours, with probable last letter delivery times in towns & city’s being around 5pm.

It was also indicated that in delivery, Royal Mail want to introduce ‘self-managed groups’. In essence, what this means is that deliveries will be grouped together. Where members of these groups go on annual or sick leave, this group will perform the delivery between themselves. These groups will take ownership of all work requirements for these grouped deliveries. For those of you who have been in Royal Mail for some time and prior to 1996, this may sound familiar – Royal Mail tried to introduce, as it was known at the time ‘Team-working’ during 1996 and formed part of the Employee Agenda dispute. Obviously, this was defeated, however what it does show, is that Royal Mail are devoid of new ways of thinking and revert to ‘old style’ thinking and methods.

Pay & SWW (Shorter Working Week)
Additional to all the above, Royal Mail have said that the introduction of any element of a SWW (Shorting Working Week) and / or pay increase must be self-funding. In other words – we have to give up something to get something.

Pensions
It is important to recognise that the CWUs pension proposals are for ALL Royal Mail employees represented by the CWU, no matter if you’ve been employed 1 week, 1 year, 10, 20 or 30 years and above. It is the CWUs belief that we should all be treated the same and that we should all have the opportunity to secure a decent income when we retire.

A presentation on the CWUs pension proposals was given by an independent actuary – Hilary Salt (FIA). She has been employed by the CWU as an advisor on the pension’s issue. The presentation used several slides which were full of facts and figures and highlighted the problems Royal Mail will face funding the pension schemes going forward. In short – Royal Mail’s current pension contribution is approximately 17% of pensionable pay, we pay 6%. Royal Mail actually currently pay approximately 30% (£400m per year), however, the difference (13%) is paid for from the current surplus in the pension fund’s assets (pension fund surpluses can’t legally be kept in those schemes as surpluses – they can however be used to offset employers contributions, as Royal Mail are doing at present).

It is anticipated that this surplus will run out sometime in 2018 and after the revaluation (every three years this is done and employers contributions are based on this valuation) of the scheme around that time, Royal Mail’s contributions will rise to over £1b per year – clearly this is not going to be affordable.

At present there are several types of pension schemes in Royal Mail based on differing criteria, these are;
Defined Benefits – pre 2008 (DB – you know what you’re going to get as a pension) and Royal Mail takes all the risk in maintaining the pension fund.
Defined Contribution – 2008 onwards (you know what you’re going to pay, but you won’t know what you’re going to get until you retire). Pension scheme members (us) also take all the risk in maintaining the pension fund.
The Defined Benefit scheme is far superior to the Defined Contribution scheme as it gives you better knowledge of what to expect in retirement. By contrast, the Defined Contribution scheme doesn’t allow you to plan ahead as you don’t know what your pension benefits will be until you retire. Incidentally, these will be far lower than what you would receive from a Defined Benefit scheme.

The CWUs proposals (legally based on a Defined Benefits scheme) removes some of the risk from Royal Mail and places it on to the pension scheme members. However, how this works is that the fund will be valued annually (not 3 years as at present) and if the fund performs well then pension benefits are increased by the current RPI figure (it’s currently 3.1% and is generally 1% above CPI annual figures) or if the scheme is in surplus the benefits could be above RPI. Should the scheme not perform so well, then any increase could be RPI minus a percentage or even no increase at all – and this is the risk element placed onto the scheme members. The scheme assets remain relatively constant and Royal Mails contributions will remain around the current 17% figure of pensionable pay – Royal Mail can afford to pay this amount.

Royal Mail are currently considering these proposals. It is interesting to note though, that other trade unions are watching how these proposals progress as this type of pension scheme may assist other companies facing similar pension issues. Financial institutions such as; The Financial Times, etc are also watching how this develops, indeed many have looked at and spoken favourably about the CWUs proposed changes, with a small number giving a negative view – namely Union bashing entities.

I’m sure you’ll all agree that the pension’s issue is a very complicated matter indeed and to quote and print all the facts & figures and to try to make sense of them in this message would be very difficult to do – on this note, we believe it is better to wait for a simple explanation to be constructed which states all the facts & figures and then this can be forwarded to you. Hopefully though, the above will give you an insight into the complexities of the pension schemes and the CWUs proposals.

In closing, we must also highlight to you the disingenuous ways Royal Mail carry out their discussions & negotiations. The CWUs National Officers involved in these processes were informed by Royal Mail that they had spoken to approximately 70,000 of their employees asking what they would want to see from these negotiations – Royal Mail’s ‘wish list’ apparently is a reflection of that feedback!! In this Branch we are not aware of any single individual being spoken to by Royal Mail about what they would want to see from any future pay deal – this is also the position in other Branches around the country. Perhaps it was 70,000 managers that were spoken too??

In is vitally important that the ‘4 Pillars of Security petitions’ sent to each workplace nationally is supported & signed by as many of us as possible so that we can counter-act Royal Mails ludicrous claims.

SUPPORT & SIGN THE 4 PILLARS OF SECURITY PETITION and get you Reps to then send it to CWUHQ.
Mike Newport
Communications
Essex Amalgamated Branch
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Post by Captain Scarlet »

Can see 2-3 % on efficiency :crazy: don't think so, working hard enough already
Move to monthly pay :shock:
No pay for first 3 days of sick :mad, this job is getting harder you know
Change to 2 months full pay then 2 months half pay......get away RM
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They are already saving huge amounts of money employing people on short hours contracts, now they want to further dilute sickness pay and extend poorer rates for starters. No justification for this whatsoever, what are they offering to us in return? More work overload?

If they could make a start by actually matching up many people's contracts to reflect what they are actually working, instead of squeezing more blood from the stone.


Attacking new starters is a soft target, unfair and bad for the future of the business

Thans for posting up
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In general they are seeking withdrawal of legacy payments, election payments? More efficiency savings, dumbing down sick pay, more flexibility around weekends...phew! Not so bad then! :pray
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If the union bend over for some of this crap then I will have to ask myself if being in a union is really worth it and that would take some doing for me to leave the union :sad:
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I do believe that the official unemployment rates are a bit fudged. That being said, these proposals really, really are ambitious in this job market.

Who would ever work nights or Sundays for no extra pay?
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deltaforce wrote:In general they are seeking withdrawal of legacy payments, election payments? More efficiency savings, dumbing down sick pay, more flexibility around weekends...phew! Not so bad then! :pray
It gets worst... total flexibility...redundancy terms revision
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It's verging on slavery , the CWU can't agree to this ,
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Captain Scarlet wrote:If the union bend over for some of this crap then I will have to ask myself if being in a union is really worth it and that would take some doing for me to leave the union :sad:
Wait for the £200 bung and watch the turkeys vote. Then they will be on here bemoaning their lot,because it's new started today,then the pressure gets put on the rest of us to conform, we will end up with terrible t's & c's,then it will be franchising,etc,etc. Slippery slope beckons.
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People are going to have to consider their Union Memberships if half of these changes are applied
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We've all been here before and we all know what's going to happen.

People will sell out for a couple of hundred pounds .
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It looks like a case of RM aiming high and then handing back some crumbs during the negotiations.
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Well what a disgusting post, Postman!!


No sick pay for 1st 3 days for even a genuine sick absence?? :Sick

The over-timer's won't like the thought of monthly pay, because you can bet on the new £1 coin that it will be wrong. :confused

The 'total flexibility' might be the one to tip a few old timers over the edge. Some of them have never done a different duty other than the cushy one they have been doing for years :Boo hoo!

And me personally, well I would be prepared to strike if they ever try and introduce the graveyard 10-6pm shift. Hands up who wants to be out finishing deliveries at 5pm everyday in rush hour traffic?? :thumbdown
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postslippete wrote:Well what a disgusting post, Postman!!


No sick pay for 1st 3 days for even a genuine sick absence?? :Sick

The over-timer's won't like the thought of monthly pay, because you can bet on the new £1 coin that it will be wrong. :confused

The 'total flexibility' might be the one to tip a few old timers over the edge. Some of them have never done a different duty other than the cushy one they have been doing for years :Boo hoo!

And me personally, well I would be prepared to strike if they ever try and introduce the graveyard 10-6pm shift. Hands up who wants to be out finishing deliveries at 5pm everyday in rush hour traffic?? :thumbdown
Maybe total flexability will be more like your on 35 hours a week but different start/finish times every day depending on how much post is there?

What happens if you hit 35 hours by thursday ? do you just not turn up fri/sat?
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jeez! I am glad I'm out of it! The first steps on the race to the bottom are clearly laid out in those images!

Why does a half-Billion operating profit company seek to shaft its employees?

PENSIONS - must fight tooth and nail to preserve existing benefits, take no bribes to reduce them even if it means striking and losing pay. You'll save a huge amount more in the long run.

SICK PAY - Another huge no-no. If you feel ill and are compelled to come to work and spread it about? FFS! Suffer a half-week pay loss if you are ill? BIG MIDDLE FINGER!

REDUCED REDUNDANCY RIGHTS - Sounds like they know something you don't, trimming the fat before the axe falls. All those years' service, only to be shafted at the end? NO!

STARTER PAY - Already have an appalling record of screwing starters both with stress, bad training and lower pay rates plus inadequate contract hours compared to what they actually work, which means sub-standard holiday and rota week pay Now you want to make this worse? GO AWAY!

This reads like a litany of p!ss-taking and people are right - 95% of this is asking for people to sign their own death warrants, how can they expect 120,000 people to vote for their own reductions in benefits? If the Union accepts most of this then they want tying to the stake.

Remember this isn't a company in trouble asking a favour along the lines of reduced pay temporarily to prevent redundancies as a short term fix! This is a very profitable company asking workers to sacrifice rights unnecessarily, for no other reason than to claim subsequently "We're 1.98% more efficient than 3 years ago..." or some other boardroom soundbite crap to please the major shareholders.

I cannot see anything other than a strike looming with these propositions.