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Park and loop and lapsing

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postmankev
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Park and loop and lapsing

Post by postmankev »

Our office has been told that we are going to do lapsing for 10 wks, does any other office has to do it!!!!!!!
anTi
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Re: Park and loop and lapsing

Post by anTi »

So your office has undergone P&L transformation and ow you are being told you must absorb/lapse?

I guess there are many of you coming back too early and showing management that there is still spare duty time.

That is foolish behavior!
keithposty
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Re: Park and loop and lapsing

Post by keithposty »

blame the people comming in early, not taking their breaks, not using trolleys, etc,etc
celerycelery
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Re: Park and loop and lapsing

Post by celerycelery »

Surely lapsing is based on your chosen model week and figures for the current week. How can anyone forecast the mail volumes for 10 weeks time and tell you that you will have to lapse. managers are not that clever and usually cant plan for the following day nevermind 10 weeks time. Get your rep to challenge it.
fishtank
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Re: Park and loop and lapsing

Post by fishtank »

It's not as simple as that.
Some offices will have planned around a low model traffic week which means most of the year their will be a great deal of "flexing up" and hopefully minimum absorption during the summer staffing weeks.
Others using a higher traffic model will have to face the fact that if the predicted traffic drop of 15-20% does materialise they will be lapsing.
Doing the job properly will help to protect against some of it but the fact is in the summer the traffic drops so if your office is completing the rest of the year there will be opportunities.
Members have nothing to fear from lapsing as long as you are not one of these offices that allows members to be pressured into lapsing when scope for it does not exist.
I've read countless threads on here from guys who say i was half an hour over today...plus my 20 mins lapsing.
WTF is that about? :cuppa
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
anTi
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Re: Park and loop and lapsing

Post by anTi »

Simple fact remains. If your duty takes you to your official finish time then you don't have to absorb.
happymackem
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Re: Park and loop and lapsing

Post by happymackem »

we have lapsed on mon and tuesday EVERY week since p&l :Boo hoo!
happymackem
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Re: Park and loop and lapsing

Post by happymackem »

happymackem wrote:we have lapsed on mon and tuesday EVERY week since p&l :Boo hoo!
oh and saturdays too it stinks :Boo hoo!
fishtank
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Re: Park and loop and lapsing

Post by fishtank »

anTi wrote:Simple fact remains. If your duty takes you to your official finish time then you don't have to absorb.
If your duty takes you to your official finish time now are you prepared to argue that it still does with a 20% decline in traffic?
It's not that simple a fact.
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
Lincox
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Re: Park and loop and lapsing

Post by Lincox »

Have you had to do overtime to complete the lapse as well. If not, then you are utilising all of your hours. What is the problem? If you are doing overtime to complete the lapsing, more fool you, unless you want and need the overtime.
celerycelery
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Re: Park and loop and lapsing

Post by celerycelery »

A 10% drop in mail only equals about 2.5% outdoor work and 7.5% indoor. Can understand lapsing on some days but to say 10 weeks you will lapse seems to be rather drastic.
Hitcher
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Re: Park and loop and lapsing

Post by Hitcher »

Been told ours starts 11th June for 10 weeks and there will be no cut-off's, no overtime and it must be done.
OnAFlyer
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Re: Park and loop and lapsing

Post by OnAFlyer »

fishtank wrote:
anTi wrote:Simple fact remains. If your duty takes you to your official finish time then you don't have to absorb.
If your duty takes you to your official finish time now are you prepared to argue that it still does with a 20% decline in traffic?
It's not that simple a fact.
You've read it many times on here, anyone ever finishing before their time is running, going in early, skipping breaks etc. Finishing before your time whilst doing the job properly (regardless of the traffic or day of the week) is actually impossible, didn't you know that? :cuppa

As for lapsing, only mugs do lapsing, the clever ones make sure they finish their own walks right on time. :crazy:
Lincox
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Re: Park and loop and lapsing

Post by Lincox »

Hitcher, you should be discussing with your union rep/local and area and if necessary ballot for IA. Personally I would be using the regulations for overrunning deliveries, making sure all conversations with manager are witnessed/recorded and would then wait for the idiot to suspend me. Just rolling over to this kind of abuse, well not form me thanks.
IloveMYredTROLLEY!
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Re: Park and loop and lapsing

Post by IloveMYredTROLLEY! »

Hitcher wrote:Been told ours starts 11th June for 10 weeks and there will be no cut-off's, no overtime and it must be done.
Surely each and every working day is taken at its own merits, they cannot force you to work past your time and they cannot force you to do o/t for free. :neutral: