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The Swedish Model

10 Oct 2020, 21:43

Well here we are 200 plus days since lockdown with 42500 dead and 550,000 positive cases and a population of 68 million so on March 23th we went into a lockdown and did everything we could do to stop a virus it was at that time a containment possibility and our hospital ICU were under pressure it was inevitable that we should do what was done at the time. Well since then we have new treatments the ICU is now quite empty even today and the government has spent trillions of pounds and the kid's are now back at school and the university's have opened their doors and the virus has a second life wonder why? Yet in the mist of this one nation did the opposite of us and that nation was Sweden they did not lockdown and only socially distance and hand hygiene no mask's and yet a nation of 10 million have only 98,000 cases and 5900 deaths it has hit their economy but nothing like ours. The only way out for the world because this virus is in every nation of the world is IMMUINTY and for that means most of the people will have to contract it, A vaccine may come but will it work it the virus could mutate like flu and other common cold virus of which coronavirus 2019 is + COVID-19 these viruses have been with us all since the dawn of time it is only science that has made this diagnosis possible but humanity will prevail as it has done for ever and a day!

The Swedish Model

10 Oct 2020, 22:09

Gimme a Swedish model anytime.

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The Swedish Model

10 Oct 2020, 22:18

k979aaa wrote:The only way out for the world because this virus is in every nation of the world is IMMUINTY [sic] and for that means most of the people will have to contract it

If you're thinking of herd immunity that Sweden was believed to have implemented, here's a report from Politico last week quoting Torbjörn Sohlström, the country's ambassador to the UK:

Politico (Oct. 4, 2020) ~ Sweden Didn’t Seek Herd Immunity to the Coronavirus, Top Diplomat Says
Sweden's ambassador to the U.K. has denied his country considered herd immunity as a response to the coronavirus epidemic.

Speaking to Times radio on Sunday, Torbjörn Sohlström said that Sweden's maverick no-lockdown coronavirus response did not seek to boost the number of infections and reach a critical mass of infected to stop the virus from spreading.

“That was not part of the strategy,” he said. “The focus was to look at … what was necessary to deal with the challenge, and what would be sustainable over time in terms of restrictions on society.”

When the pandemic hit in February, Sweden famously left many of the day-to-day decisions on virus response to its citizens. The authorities only issued some simple guidance about social distancing and hand washing, but have kept borders, businesses and schools open throughout the pandemic.

Sohlström also said that despite its novel approach, Stockholm had not done well to protect its weak and elderly. "We were not successful enough in protecting our weak. We got COVID into quite a lot of care homes ... we have a commission of inquiry in Sweden already looking at why this happened and what we can learn and what we should have done differently."

The country now counts close to 6,000 deaths from COVID-19 so far, just under 95,000 total infections and 5,173 new infections over the last two weeks, according to the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control. It ranks fourth in the EU in terms of total infections per million citizens.

The Swedish Model

10 Oct 2020, 22:33

PostmanBitesDog wrote:
k979aaa wrote:The only way out for the world because this virus is in every nation of the world is IMMUINTY [sic] and for that means most of the people will have to contract it

If you're thinking of herd immunity that Sweden was believed to have implemented, here's a report from Politico last week quoting Torbjörn Sohlström, the country's ambassador to the UK:

Politico (Oct. 4, 2020) ~ Sweden Didn’t Seek Herd Immunity to the Coronavirus, Top Diplomat Says
Sweden's ambassador to the U.K. has denied his country considered herd immunity as a response to the coronavirus epidemic.

Speaking to Times radio on Sunday, Torbjörn Sohlström said that Sweden's maverick no-lockdown coronavirus response did not seek to boost the number of infections and reach a critical mass of infected to stop the virus from spreading.

“That was not part of the strategy,” he said. “The focus was to look at … what was necessary to deal with the challenge, and what would be sustainable over time in terms of restrictions on society.”

When the pandemic hit in February, Sweden famously left many of the day-to-day decisions on virus response to its citizens. The authorities only issued some simple guidance about social distancing and hand washing, but have kept borders, businesses and schools open throughout the pandemic.

Sohlström also said that despite its novel approach, Stockholm had not done well to protect its weak and elderly. "We were not successful enough in protecting our weak. We got COVID into quite a lot of care homes ... we have a commission of inquiry in Sweden already looking at why this happened and what we can learn and what we should have done differently."
What we should do is contain the spread by social mitigations ie hand washing and distancing in some countries it could be 1 meter plus. If the health services are overwhelmed we need lockdowns but not long ones and all should be compensated for loss even business owners. I would never say contract a virus of any type deliberately as any virus can have repercussions!
The country now counts close to 6,000 deaths from COVID-19 so far, just under 95,000 total infections and 5,173 new infections over the last two weeks, according to the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control. It ranks fourth in the EU in terms of total infections per million citizens.

The Swedish Model

10 Oct 2020, 22:40

One I would never suggest contracting a virus deliberately and we should not overwhelm the NHS all viruses can be deadly to some people but we need to get into perspective what this is it is a common cold virus it is just that it has not ravaged the population as such since it was discovered in late 2019.

The Swedish Model

10 Oct 2020, 22:46

And about 10 times the death rate of its neighbouring countries that introduced more stringent lockdowns. Density of population is also an important factor and one of the main reasons why following their path would have been catastrophic here with an ensuing mortality rate in the hundreds of thousands.

The Swedish Model

10 Oct 2020, 22:55

Gasman11 wrote:And about 10 times the death rate of its neighbouring countries that introduced more stringent lockdowns. Density of population is also an important factor and one of the main reasons why following their path would have been catastrophic here with an ensuing mortality rate in the hundreds of thousands.

The density of population well most people live in towns or cities not on mountain top in Sweden a town or city in Sweden is like a town or city in the UK!

The Swedish Model

10 Oct 2020, 23:10

The UK has more than 10 times the population density of Sweden, it is a significant factor in the reproduction rate of the virus and why the govt opted for full lockdown in March.

The Swedish Model

10 Oct 2020, 23:33

Gasman11 wrote:The UK has more than 10 times the population density of Sweden, it is a significant factor in the reproduction rate of the virus and why the govt opted for full lockdown in March.

I did say that and supported it in March till May that we needed lock down to stop overwhelming the NHS we did not need lockdown after then as the nightingale hospitals were up and running why did we pay people to not work till the end of this month? Sweden is a big nation but most live in towns city's Stockholm is 2.4 million people with 370 people per KM so as big as Manchester or Birmingham!

The Swedish Model

11 Oct 2020, 10:39

k979aaa wrote:
Gasman11 wrote:The UK has more than 10 times the population density of Sweden, it is a significant factor in the reproduction rate of the virus and why the govt opted for full lockdown in March.

I did say that and supported it in March till May that we needed lock down to stop overwhelming the NHS we did not need lockdown after then as the nightingale hospitals were up and running why did we pay people to not work till the end of this month? Sweden is a big nation but most live in towns city's Stockholm is 2.4 million people with 370 people per KM so as big as Manchester or Birmingham!

Stockholm population is about 900k , greater Manchester is 2.6 million.

There are 25 people per square metre in Sweden , here it’s 260.

There’s many more variables so Sweden can’t be compared to the uk.

The Swedish Model

11 Oct 2020, 11:46

k979aaa wrote:Well here we are 200 plus days since lockdown with 42500 dead and 550,000 positive cases and a population of 68 million so on March 23th we went into a lockdown and did everything we could do to stop a virus it was at that time a containment possibility and our hospital ICU were under pressure it was inevitable that we should do what was done at the time. Well since then we have new treatments the ICU is now quite empty even today and the government has spent trillions of pounds and the kid's are now back at school and the university's have opened their doors and the virus has a second life wonder why? Yet in the mist of this one nation did the opposite of us and that nation was Sweden they did not lockdown and only socially distance and hand hygiene no mask's and yet a nation of 10 million have only 98,000 cases and 5900 deaths it has hit their economy but nothing like ours. The only way out for the world because this virus is in every nation of the world is IMMUINTY and for that means most of the people will have to contract it, A vaccine may come but will it work it the virus could mutate like flu and other common cold virus of which coronavirus 2019 is + COVID-19 these viruses have been with us all since the dawn of time it is only science that has made this diagnosis possible but humanity will prevail as it has done for ever and a day!



You can't compare Sweden with the UK. Its like comparing Apples with Pears. Apart from Stockholm, whats the population of the other towns? Sweden doesn't have a Birmingham, Manchester or Glasgow in terms of population size. The virus only grows with a larger concentrated population density.

When you talk about immunity you are basically saying that thousands of people will have to die. So Sweden don't wear facemasks.... Well, what responsible government is going to tell people that wearing facemasks, hand hygiene, social distancing and lockdowns are pointless?? Why take risks with peoples health until we can get a vaccine and/or improve our understanding the virus. Until that happens, prevention is surely better than any cure.

The Swedish Model

11 Oct 2020, 12:06

The Swedes don't have a problem with anti-maskers and covidiots.
We do.

You can only work with what you have and the Swedish psychology was to embrace voluntary social distancing and sensible behaviour. The had a voluntary lockdown but kept the bars and restaurants open.

Our psychology the minute the pubs and restaurants reopened was pretty clear to see.

As far as protecting the economy is concerned Sweden's GDP fell by 8.6% against an EU average of 11.9% but that's still higher than the Czech Republic or Lithuania who both had strict lockdowns and when you think about it Sweden's GDP fall should be lower than France, Spain, Italy and the UK because Sweden isn't exactly a huge tourism destination.

Despite its different path Sweden's immunity levels are no higher than ours so it's not as if they have achieved anything other than shown that the Swedish people are a bit smarter than us and don't need to be told to follow health advice.

The Swedish Model

11 Oct 2020, 12:33

Woody Guthrie wrote:The Swedes don't have a problem with anti-maskers and covidiots.
We do.

You can only work with what you have and the Swedish psychology was to embrace voluntary social distancing and sensible behaviour. The had a voluntary lockdown but kept the bars and restaurants open.

Our psychology the minute the pubs and restaurants reopened was pretty clear to see.

As far as protecting the economy is concerned Sweden's GDP fell by 8.6% against an EU average of 11.9% but that's still higher than the Czech Republic or Lithuania who both had strict lockdowns and when you think about it Sweden's GDP fall should be lower than France, Spain, Italy and the UK because Sweden isn't exactly a huge tourism destination.

Despite its different path Sweden's immunity levels are no higher than ours so it's not as if they have achieved anything other than shown that the Swedish people are a bit smarter than us and don't need to be told to follow health advice.


All valid points and add to that the fact the most Swedish experts are saying it’s way too early to judge if their approach was correct one.

My missus is a data modeller and it drives her up the wall when people compare Sweden and the uk , the amount of variables is astonishing and stark.

Herd immunity would only work in this county if you’re willing to accept hundreds of thousands of deaths.

The Swedish Model

11 Oct 2020, 13:05

Woody Guthrie wrote:The Swedes don't have a problem with anti-maskers and covidiots.
We do.

You can only work with what you have and the Swedish psychology was to embrace voluntary social distancing and sensible behaviour. The had a voluntary lockdown but kept the bars and restaurants open.

Our psychology the minute the pubs and restaurants reopened was pretty clear to see.

As far as protecting the economy is concerned Sweden's GDP fell by 8.6% against an EU average of 11.9% but that's still higher than the Czech Republic or Lithuania who both had strict lockdowns and when you think about it Sweden's GDP fall should be lower than France, Spain, Italy and the UK because Sweden isn't exactly a huge tourism destination.

Despite its different path Sweden's immunity levels are no higher than ours so it's not as if they have achieved anything other than shown that the Swedish people are a bit smarter than us and don't need to be told to follow health advice.


The covid mortality rate is much, much higher than their neighbouring countries and even though you are saying they have more of a sensible approach to following safety guidelines that still came at a cost compared to Norway and Finland who introduced tougher measures earlier on. I think of all the countries Germany is the model we should be following, got the balance about right there overall.

The Swedish Model

11 Oct 2020, 14:31

Gasman11 wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:The Swedes don't have a problem with anti-maskers and covidiots.
We do.
You can only work with what you have and the Swedish psychology was to embrace voluntary social distancing and sensible behaviour. The had a voluntary lockdown but kept the bars and restaurants open.
Our psychology the minute the pubs and restaurants reopened was pretty clear to see.
As far as protecting the economy is concerned Sweden's GDP fell by 8.6% against an EU average of 11.9% but that's still higher than the Czech Republic or Lithuania who both had strict lockdowns and when you think about it Sweden's GDP fall should be lower than France, Spain, Italy and the UK because Sweden isn't exactly a huge tourism destination.
Despite its different path Sweden's immunity levels are no higher than ours so it's not as if they have achieved anything other than shown that the Swedish people are a bit smarter than us and don't need to be told to follow health advice.

I think of all the countries Germany is the model we should be following, got the balance about right there overall.

Or look further afield and follow New Zealand's model.

The Guardian (Oct. 8, 2020) ~ New Zealand's Covid-19 Response the Best in the World, Say Global Business Leaders
New York Times (Oct. 7, 2020) ~ New Zealand Stamps Out the Virus. For a Second Time

The Swedish Model

11 Oct 2020, 18:12

PostmanBitesDog wrote:
Gasman11 wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:The Swedes don't have a problem with anti-maskers and covidiots.
We do.
You can only work with what you have and the Swedish psychology was to embrace voluntary social distancing and sensible behaviour. The had a voluntary lockdown but kept the bars and restaurants open.
Our psychology the minute the pubs and restaurants reopened was pretty clear to see.
As far as protecting the economy is concerned Sweden's GDP fell by 8.6% against an EU average of 11.9% but that's still higher than the Czech Republic or Lithuania who both had strict lockdowns and when you think about it Sweden's GDP fall should be lower than France, Spain, Italy and the UK because Sweden isn't exactly a huge tourism destination.
Despite its different path Sweden's immunity levels are no higher than ours so it's not as if they have achieved anything other than shown that the Swedish people are a bit smarter than us and don't need to be told to follow health advice.

I think of all the countries Germany is the model we should be following, got the balance about right there overall.

Or look further afield and follow New Zealand's model.

The Guardian (Oct. 8, 2020) ~ New Zealand's Covid-19 Response the Best in the World, Say Global Business Leaders
New York Times (Oct. 7, 2020) ~ New Zealand Stamps Out the Virus. For a Second Time

Well New Zealand will not allow anyone in or out it will not happen over here as for Germany it is their test and trace is far better because they do not have Dido Harding running it!

The Swedish Model

11 Oct 2020, 21:03

I believe that there's been a few confirmed cases of re-infection, and AFAIK in each case the second infection has been a different strain/mutation so it looks like herd immunity only lasts as long as there are no new strains/mutations of the virus

The Swedish Model

11 Oct 2020, 22:41

If that is the case we are all doomed and should take out life insurance policy's before they all go through the roof.

The Swedish Model

14 Oct 2020, 18:55

I’m reporting this post to the trade description act. I was expecting to see a Scandinavian glamour girl

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