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06 Sep 2020, 21:41

Acca Dacca wrote:
Deadly wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you're a dedicated collection driver be very worried...unless you want out of course.


Thats not how it works

Its 'roles/tasks/jobs' whatever you want to call it that go not the people who are doing the jobs

They would still have their seniority to choose something else - just that there would be less to choose from compared to the last resign

Same as floaters who have good seniority , they might do away with floaters if its 5 day deliveries but that doesnt mean that those who chose the floating duties are the ones who lose their job

But if there are fewer collection duties to choose from how can the same number of collection drivers be employed?

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06 Sep 2020, 21:48

But if there are fewer collection duties to choose from how can the same number of collection drivers be employed?


They fill the roles vacated in delivery or processing by VRs.

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06 Sep 2020, 21:57

Woody Guthrie wrote:
But if there are fewer collection duties to choose from how can the same number of collection drivers be employed?


They fill the roles vacated in delivery or processing by VRs.

Obviously Royal Mail doesn't have a standard way of working at different locations around the UK, no surprise there! My local mail centre has a collection hub and it is run as a totally separate unit even though they are in the same building, ie they can't apply for jobs in processing. When the mail centre had a few VRs recently collection drivers weren't allowed to apply despite being under the same roof.

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06 Sep 2020, 22:04

Deadly wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
But if there are fewer collection duties to choose from how can the same number of collection drivers be employed?


They fill the roles vacated in delivery or processing by VRs.

Obviously Royal Mail doesn't have a standard way of working at different locations around the UK, no surprise there! My local mail centre has a collection hub and it is run as a totally separate unit even though they are in the same building, ie they can't apply for jobs in processing. When the mail centre had a few VRs recently collection drivers weren't allowed to apply despite being under the same roof.

Obviously the vrs were for processing an not collection duties.

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06 Sep 2020, 22:07

Yes. that's what I'm getting at in a roundabout way. When collection duties go, which they will with the rate work is transfering to deliveries, a collection driver won't be able to walk into a job in processing.

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06 Sep 2020, 22:07

Deadly wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
But if there are fewer collection duties to choose from how can the same number of collection drivers be employed?


They fill the roles vacated in delivery or processing by VRs.

Obviously Royal Mail doesn't have a standard way of working at different locations around the UK, no surprise there! My local mail centre has a collection hub and it is run as a totally separate unit even though they are in the same building, ie they can't apply for jobs in processing. When the mail centre had a few VRs recently collection drivers weren't allowed to apply despite being under the same roof.

Being under same roof means nothing we have distribution collections an delivery staff under one roof.. all depends on were rm are offering vrs.

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06 Sep 2020, 22:09

When the mail centre had a few VRs recently collection drivers weren't allowed to apply despite being under the same roof.


Different process., that's an internal transfer. Priority goes first to those already receiving the same shift allowance.

If you apply for a role because your job has been removed you are considered "displaced".

Displaced staff take priority and while we have an agreement on no compulsory redundancies the business must find an alternative role for them.

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06 Sep 2020, 22:12

Deadly wrote:Yes. that's what I'm getting at in a roundabout way. When collection duties go, which they will with the rate work is transfering to deliveries, a collection driver won't be able to walk into a job in processing.

Same as a processing worker cant just walk into a driving job. at the moment its all a lottery an nibody knows where its going to end especially our leader..

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06 Sep 2020, 22:22

If you guys are really, really bored there's a document called Managing the Surplus Framework (MTSF) that lays out what happens when people are displaced. And yes people do just move across functions when there are no other positions left in their old role.

Tman will fill you in on what happens when old Joe the delivery guy gets to play with the machines.

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06 Sep 2020, 23:06

aiden01 wrote:
Deadly wrote:Yes. that's what I'm getting at in a roundabout way. When collection duties go, which they will with the rate work is transfering to deliveries, a collection driver won't be able to walk into a job in processing.

Same as a processing worker cant just walk into a driving job. at the moment its all a lottery an nibody knows where its going to end especially our leader..

We've had a few processing staff transfer to distribution once they'd got the class 2 license (based on them driving AFAIK only 600s)

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06 Sep 2020, 23:10

Woody Guthrie wrote:
But if there are fewer collection duties to choose from how can the same number of collection drivers be employed?


They fill the roles vacated in delivery or processing by VRs.

Any duties in processing where the duty holder takes VR just get them hours taken out and not replaced

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07 Sep 2020, 07:15

SpacePhoenix wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
But if there are fewer collection duties to choose from how can the same number of collection drivers be employed?


They fill the roles vacated in delivery or processing by VRs.

Any duties in processing where the duty holder takes VR just get them hours taken out and not replaced


Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. During a large scale voluntary redundancy exercise if one area can't get enough VRs these excess members can transfer to another function which can in turn increase the number of potential VRs in that function.

Better?

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07 Sep 2020, 07:24

Woody Guthrie wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
But if there are fewer collection duties to choose from how can the same number of collection drivers be employed?


They fill the roles vacated in delivery or processing by VRs.

Any duties in processing where the duty holder takes VR just get them hours taken out and not replaced


Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. During a large scale voluntary redundancy exercise if one area can't get enough VRs these excess members can transfer to another function which can in turn increase the number of potential VRs in that function.

Better?

It wouldn't increase the number of VRs, it'd just mean less casuals would be needed. Probably most shifts locally use a dozen + casuals every day which could be replaced by those displaced from collections, though they'd all have to be leave reserves

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07 Sep 2020, 18:59

Anotyher update to the update of the update

https://www.facebook.com/Thecommunicati ... 5875346018

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07 Sep 2020, 19:05

he doesnt state questions asked nor replies and says they are being transparent lol

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08 Sep 2020, 09:54

Whatever the outcome you all know what's really going to happen because it always happens.

Increases in duty sizes, new working practises that make the job harder not easier, more confusion than ever, moral will drop and people will pull out of the union.

And it'll all be dressed up as a game-changing deal of the century that the union have gotten you that'll make the way forward, SDD and other previous deals look like Christmas had come.

RM had a plan before lock-down and they are not going to let all that planning , vision and man hours go to waste by scrapping it and starting from scratch again just to suit the union and a threat of industrial action.

And to echo some other posters comments it's time the union got more business minded leaders at the top because they way Terry goes on he looks out of his depth and does way too much 70's union tub thumping. The union need to be able to play RM senior managers at their own game and this lot are seriously lacking in the department.

Front-line staff never come out of any deal better off just more work in less time.

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08 Sep 2020, 20:32

Latest TP update:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1303379914645737472

Here's Terry - Nothing new.......

08 Sep 2020, 20:43

Need action Terry.

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