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UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

10 May 2020, 17:18

It is not my fault you cannot see beyond the end of your nose. The battle looming will move postal workers into a direct struggle against both Royal Mail and the CWU. By the way, they said the same about the Bolsheviks and we all know how that turned out, they took power

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

10 May 2020, 17:21

merson01 wrote:It is not my fault you cannot see beyond the end of your nose.

Maybe it is.
Your total inability to engage with or educate anyone on this forum is staggering.
Form rank and file committees Form rank and file committees Form rank and file committees.
I have known daleks with a wider vocabulary and infinitely more charisma.

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

10 May 2020, 17:25

Well here is a bit education, your mantra appears to defend the CWU bureaucracy defend the CWU bureaucracy at all cost, what have you against a rank and file committee.

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

10 May 2020, 18:31

Actually if you did a little bit of historical research you would see that isn't my mantra at all.
What exactly would a rank and file committee do - apart from whack off on the sidelines of the real task- a bit like you do on here.

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

10 May 2020, 18:35

well you know my position, a rank and file committee would launch a political struggle against the CWU bureaucracy, stop it betraying this struggle, it would implement the nationalisation of Royal Mail without compensation, it would link the struggle of postal workers to other workers around the world who face a common enemy. now I say again what is your perspective

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

10 May 2020, 18:45

But all that would take time - even if it were ever achievable.
We are facing a life and death situation now. So what is your rank and file committee actually doing? Now.
Are you actually part of a rank and file committee in a Royal Mail setting?

Implement nationalisation without compensation - to themselves?

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

10 May 2020, 18:55

The battle looming....


Marx published volume 1 in 1867.
That's a lot of looming....

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

10 May 2020, 21:47

WHERES OUR PAYRISE !!!! being going on for far too long, CWU top brass pull your fingers out we have given you the mandate now get on with it,forget the virus we pay your wages not the tory party.

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

11 May 2020, 17:04

merson01 wrote:well you know my position, a rank and file committee would launch a political struggle against the CWU bureaucracy, stop it betraying this struggle, it would implement the nationalisation of Royal Mail without compensation, it would link the struggle of postal workers to other workers around the world who face a common enemy. now I say again what is your perspective

Some years ago we actually did this. We formed a separate "collective" as we were unhappy with the behaviour of our rep.
We formulated a response to Royal Mail and over half the office signed it.
The manager just binned it and said he could only talk to the union representative,
So we removed the rep (it took several months) but that just left one of us representing the union we had been against.
And worse than that, we were now beholden to the union structure.

So your rank and file committees have no clout. Like them or loathe them, the CWU is the only organisation with any presence in the workplace. And it is often a good and worthwhile presence.
Rather than form rank and file committees I think you would be better off advocating a form of entryism whereby you get elected as a union representative and then prosecute your armed struggle. Oops I meant political struggle.

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

11 May 2020, 17:10

Not only do you act like a trade unionist you think like one. You have no conception of any other thinking other than trade union consciousness which in the end is bourgeois consciousness. A rank and file committee would have to have a socialist strategy and know-how to fight for one. All you did was set up a parallel bureaucracy no wonder it failed

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

11 May 2020, 17:44

merson01 wrote:Not only do you act like a trade unionist you think like one. You have no conception of any other thinking other than trade union consciousness which in the end is bourgeois consciousness. A rank and file committee would have to have a socialist strategy and know-how to fight for one. All you did was set up a parallel bureaucracy no wonder it failed

But to be fair I didn't have you too point out the errors of my bourgeois consciousness.

So are you in a rank and file committee in your Royal Mail workplace?
What concrete gains have you achieved (and I don't mean you have fought for renationalisation or wrote to other groups on the other side of the world and other airy fairy aims) because if you can't point to anything concrete then as I suggested earlier you are just whacking off on the sidelines.
And I would rather have a bourgeois consciousness than be an inept w****r.

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

11 May 2020, 17:52

Well I can see you operate on a high intellectual level. On a serious note remove the insult or I will take it to the administrator. At no point have I attacked you personally, it has no place in this discussion.

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

11 May 2020, 18:23

merson01 wrote:Well I can see you operate on a high intellectual level. On a serious note remove the insult or I will take it to the administrator. At no point have I attacked you personally, it has no place in this discussion.

Why not take it to the rank and file committee?
You can't go running to the moderator - that's just bourgeois.

So - what concrete gains?
Where in RM (which function) is your rank and file committee?

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

11 May 2020, 18:27

Remove the insult or I will take it further

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

11 May 2020, 18:57

No.
Answer the question.

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

11 May 2020, 18:59

I have done talking to you.

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

11 May 2020, 19:46

If you don't work for Royal Mail - just say so.
If you aren't a member of a rank and file committee - just say so.
If you cannot give any concrete gains you have made in the workplace - just say so.

You are done talking to me? Is that how you intend to prosecute the class struggle?
I doubt if Rosa would be proud of you.

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

11 May 2020, 21:22

As I think we've asked a hundred times merson, what happens when every Delivery Office sets up a rank and file committee and resigns from the CWU?

Do 1000 separate rank and file committees attempt to negotiate with Royal Mail or does someone have to organise them to speak as one?

Are you aware of the history of the postal unions, separate bargaining, splits and divides.... John Keggie?

As you will probably know a revolution can only be achieved by strong leadership of the masses by an individual or a very select few so who do you have in mind?

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

12 May 2020, 13:48

Paul Paul are you ghosting me?
I didn't want it to end like this.

UK Royal Mail workers oppose Communications Workers Union sellout

12 May 2020, 15:53

clashcityrocker wrote:If you don't work for Royal Mail - just say so.
If you aren't a member of a rank and file committee - just say so.
If you cannot give any concrete gains you have made in the workplace - just say so.

You are done talking to me? Is that how you intend to prosecute the class struggle?
I doubt if Rosa would be proud of you.


Looking through his posting history he initially said:

merson01 wrote:I am a writer for the World socialist Website(http://www.wsws.org) I am doing an article on the new offer from the Royal Mail and would like to get some comments from you . If you would just answer a few questions. If you could disclose which office you work in we can give you a false name. I write under the byeline of Keith Lee......................


Could be a postie as a further post on this site then said:

merson01 wrote:Does anyone have any new harrington Jackets. I am a postman in London and our office only has the fleece ones. Willing to part with some dosh for one or two, Size is Medium 40" chest.

cheers

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