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20 Oct 2019, 12:06

Celgar wrote:Regarding Mr Corbyn he is a somewhat likeable man in a very difficult position politically. Most MPs wouldn't want him as PM though and the Labour party is now legitimately tarred by what they did in the 1970s but more so with the Brown/Bliar years..


More like they're tarred with having a toxic hypocrite as a "leader".
Even with the present shambolic shower of sh*te in government Corbyn and co still lag far behind in the polls.
The situation is very different to Corbyn's surge in popularity in the 2017 election as now the electorate have the measure of him, and it appears they're not happy with what they see.
Renationalisation of RM? Mere hot air from someone who ought to know better.

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21 Oct 2019, 14:00

Does anyone want to explain why it’s a load of hot air, an impossibility?

Also, the financial crisis *was* a global event. Labour’s levels of spending whilst in power were fairly unremarkable by historical standards - of course, they’d bet the lot on the City of London laying those golden eggs forever but anyone who tried to argue said eggs were full of IOUs was called a crank, so. We’re all old enough to remember those Labour governments were popular, people liked seeing their schools and hospitals rebuilt, it’s only with hindsight everyone pretends they always said Brown and Blair’s strategy was a financial disaster waiting to happen. Of course, now that we do know better any future Labour government has to set about building an economy that’s not built on sand, it requires radicalism and potentially decades worth of conflict with vested interests, but it’s the only way, and certainly the only strategy the party of labour should be pursuing - if you want more of the same, or more of the same ‘moderated’ by the people whose political legacy is a 5p carrier bag charge won in exchange for backing welfare cuts that killed people, the Tories and Lib Dems are over there on your right :Sick
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21 Oct 2019, 14:49

There is an argument to nationalise essential national infrastructure like power, water and perhaps at a push transport.

There is no argument for nationalising a parcel delivery company which is basically what we will be shortly.

However on a less serious note you could argue that with the current share price it's not a bad bit of business selling a company at £3.30 a share and buying it back at around £2. Warren Buffet would be proud.

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21 Oct 2019, 18:56

Woody Guthrie wrote:There is an argument to nationalise essential national infrastructure like power, water and perhaps at a push transport.

There is no argument for nationalising a parcel delivery company which is basically what we will be shortly.

However on a less serious note you could argue that with the current share price it's not a bad bit of business selling a company at £3.30 a share and buying it back at around £2. Warren Buffet would be proud.

Wowsers, cynical? moi? Sanguine more like, Mr Guthrie! :coolr

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21 Oct 2019, 19:21

Woody Guthrie wrote:There is an argument to nationalise essential national infrastructure like power, water and perhaps at a push transport.

There is no argument for nationalising a parcel delivery company which is basically what we will be shortly.

Personally I’d rather government just levelled the playing field, by introducing a genuine living wage and banning zero hours contracts and bogus self employment - hit the companies that undercut RM by exploiting workers where it hurts. That being said saying there’s no good arguments for having a publicly owned RM smacks of defeatism, of an inability to believe things could be done differently. A nationalised RM could lead the way on workers’ rights and green technology, because the state would provide the funds over the long term - too many private companies are only interested in 6-12 month cycles - and any profits wouldn’t be bleeding away to tax havens.

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21 Oct 2019, 19:39

Whilst we're still a member of the EU nationalisation is impossible as it's illegal under EU rules and depending on the absolute final agreement with the EU it could potentially still be illegal

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21 Oct 2019, 19:47

Agree there’d be issues, don’t think it’s impossible though, even the World Trade Organisation has state-aid rules so it’d be tricky regardless. I’d rather pick a fight on this stuff from within the EU.

“A government can own a company under state-aid rules - but it is not allowed to keep it going if it would otherwise fail.

So if a government could convince the European Commission that buying the business would be a sensible move that any investor would make for a profit, it would not be classified as state aid.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41392469

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21 Oct 2019, 21:29

A company with a falling share price and a diminishing market? That would be some ask.

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21 Oct 2019, 23:10

Maggio man says 23 nov

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27 Oct 2019, 00:46

Tman wrote:A company with a falling share price and a diminishing market? That would be some ask.

The way it is going they could get it back for half the price they sold it the only one shitting bricks is the CEO!

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27 Oct 2019, 01:51

As to dates things have been said around the 20th of November and beyond but let us consider why we voted by 97% with a turnout out of 76% for striking no one want's to lose money income for which we earn. Now we face a new force who has not abided by the last agreement and have presented us all with a business plan of the reduction of the workforce of 20,000 job's ie 1 in 6 of you all we as a union cannot abrogate nor will we concede this as a position of negotiation this is a salient point we never can concede this point! We also must go forward with the four pillars part of this is the reduction of the working week to 35 hours it should be a right for all and we could go further, but as yet Royal Mail have abrogated the last deal. Also is the fact of the bullying and harassment of our members in this day and and age it is an outrage this is still going on yet people on the board of directors have not publicly come out about this it's as if this never happens in Royal Mail for it is they who are ultimately responsible for the actions of the company. It is fervently my aim conviction to ensure we get a deal and a good deal we together can make a difference as long as we have have unity and the conviction of our beliefs in the vision of our futures together.

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27 Oct 2019, 17:05

SpacePhoenix wrote:Whilst we're still a member of the EU nationalisation is impossible as it's illegal under EU rules and depending on the absolute final agreement with the EU it could potentially still be illegal


Doesnt the Spanish Government own Correos which covers the USO in Spain?

And the French own their own rail network? ( they also own 73% of La Poste )

Its a myth youve bought into - but you dont want to hear that

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27 Oct 2019, 18:11

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Doesnt the Spanish Government own Correos which covers the USO in Spain?

And the French own their own rail network? ( they also own 73% of La Poste )


When did the Spanish and French governments respectively take ownership of these businesses?

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31 Oct 2019, 22:18

Acca Dacca wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:Whilst we're still a member of the EU nationalisation is impossible as it's illegal under EU rules and depending on the absolute final agreement with the EU it could potentially still be illegal


Doesnt the Spanish Government own Correos which covers the USO in Spain?

And the French own their own rail network? ( they also own 73% of La Poste )

Its a myth youve bought into - but you dont want to hear that

Tman wrote:
When did the Spanish and French governments respectively take ownership of these businesses?


EU Laws permit it for transport, plus they've been state owned since their creation. Just not allowed to ban private operators. However there is nothing to say that the Government can't take over 51% of the shares for Royal Mail.

So long as you aren't making it a monopoly (but no other company would want to compete in the letters business {even uk mail uses Royal Mail for the last mile} which is almost no profit) it would be allowed.
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01 Nov 2019, 11:17

When did the Spanish and French governments respectively take ownership of these businesses?


EU Laws permit it for transport, plus they've been state owned since their creation.



Exactly that, state owned since their creation, so actually nothing to do with the claim that it's possible EU member states can/cannot nationalise failing industries.

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01 Nov 2019, 11:50

Tman wrote:="Acca
Dacca"]

Doesnt the Spanish Government own Correos which covers the USO in Spain?

And the French own their own rail network? ( they also own 73% of La Poste )


When did the Spanish and French governments respectively take ownership of these businesses?

Correos: 1756 https://www.correos.com/grupo-correos/#nuestra-historia

French Rail Passenger - SNCF - 1938 http://www.gaugemaster.com/articles/gui ... -SNCF.html

lA Poste - 1603 http://www.stampdomain.com/country/france/

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01 Nov 2019, 11:53

The EU regulation doesn't address ownership, the postal system can be government-run, as shown above.

It's the postal market that was liberalised, not the companies themselves.

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01 Nov 2019, 18:05

The only issue with government ownership is state aid where a company cannot receive government funding to give it a competitive advantage in a free market but

A) We've been a net self funded company since the 1960s.

B) Even the state aid regulations can be circumvented as witnessed when the government took over the pension deficit.

C) We're leaving the EU.

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01 Nov 2019, 23:22

Woody Guthrie wrote:
C) We're leaving the EU.


That's not set in stone and also the WTO talks about state owned monopolies. Either way the answer is that it's perfectly legal to re-nationalise Royal Mail.

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02 Nov 2019, 01:08

With news that RM seem to be implementing their new parcel separation strategy without involving the union, what’s the feeling around full on one week strike on and after Black Friday?

Then the threat of another in December?

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