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Are you ready to back the CWU in this fight?

Poll ended at 16 Oct 2019, 10:53

YES
436
90%
NO
51
10%
 
Total votes : 487

Who's ready to take industrial action?

22 Sep 2019, 07:41

I’m ready for the strike, I’ve been doing all the OT I can to prepare as I think it could be long and drawn out. Can’t see either side backing down. Hopefully by the time we actually start striking (late November?) I’ll have enough money set aside to last me 6 months.

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22 Sep 2019, 07:59

To those who think RM customers will go elsewhere:

I don’t think a lot of RM customers can go elsewhere. We have:

-Small to medium businesses depending on their products being collected by RM. Trust me, having worked in a small online/eBay business turning over £30k a month it was never possible to simply get another courier to take the items. Royal Mail could be relied on to collect from our premises at the same time (maybe a 5 minute variance) every day regardless of if we had 1 parcel or 1,000. You just can’t get that with Fedex, Hermes etc, we tried it and it was unreliable (a poor overworked FedEx trying to collect parcels from us at 7pm after we’d shut 2 hours earlier for the day). We looked at every alternative courier, most had rubbish payment terms (eg pay the day they were collected) and their rates were no better for small to medium parcels.

-D2Ds. We hate them but it’s obviously a strategy big companies are happy to go down time and time again. There has to be something profitable in it when national/international companies like Dominos, Morrison’s, Specsavers are getting us to deliver their leaflets week in week out. Again, given RM charge approx £80-£100 for every thousand leaflets (plus cost of printing), which other courier will offer a similar rate to EVERY door?

-Council letters, NHS appointment stuff, political mailings. What will the NHS do if they can’t post out that letter to Auntie Edna for 61p (or whatever rate they are charged) and instead are having to pay a courier £5+?

The likes of Amazon, FedEx and DPD are knocking socks off us with the big parcels. But there’s a lot which they can’t and won’t provide. That’s where our power is.

Who's ready to take industrial action?

22 Sep 2019, 11:16

@aidan ,, in my own opinion mate that is , No need for the ffs at end ,,

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22 Sep 2019, 12:04

afcdibby wrote:
k979aaa wrote:
afcdibby wrote:
bakersdozen wrote:I won't bother voting


You won't be alone. Hard to work out what some folk want sometimes.

The very fact of the matter is your say counts voting is a privilege some in the world don't get use you vote wisely as forces from the powers that be at the helm are running us aground on a cliff face!


And what about those hard working employees who aren't in the CWU?

then im afraid those employees will be treated the same as those employees who ARE in the CWU.if we lose they will be made redundant. back the union.

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22 Sep 2019, 12:12

We need a huge YES vote!!!! And we need the public on our side ASAP, let them know what they’ll be losing.

If anyone else has had senior management on site this week on a propaganda drive, you’ll know the absolute waffle they are spouting.

We have done this, we have done that, we will honour the four pillars. Yet from all other angles, they have no intention of honouring it. Rico Back was hired on his merits and track record from running GLS, nothing else. He managed decline. No new innovations, no new lines of business, cutting costs across the board to maximise profits through zero hour contracts, outside contractors and a complete lack or moral responsibility.

He doesn’t care about RM, he’s here to make as much money for himself as possible and move on to the next. The by product of that is the shareholders are happy. He’s a smash and grab man. Get in, load up, get out, no concern for the staff and their families or the people that rely on them to deliver.

RM needs to change, but not like this. We need management with imagination, that uses IT to help and simplify, not be big brother. The cost of a stamp needs to go up and we need products and services that the public actually want that helps us and them. RM needs to offer ultimate convenience for the customer. People will pay a premium happily for time savings and convenience.

RM needs to be first on this and become the industry standard, because if they done, Amazon or DPD will. Nobody ever changed the game just by keeping up.

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22 Sep 2019, 14:36

Takeitforaride wrote:The cost of a stamp needs to go up and we need products and services that the public actually want that helps us and them. RM needs to offer ultimate convenience for the customer. People will pay a premium happily for time savings and convenience.

Sadly, what the general public think is largely irrelevant. Lots of young people have no idea what a postage stamp is! Would they care if RM went out of business? As long as the item they ordered off Amazon/ASOS/M&S etc etc is delivered, they don't really care who delivers it. That's the reality.

We have to take strike action to defend our jobs and our terms and conditions FOR OUR OWN SAKES. If the public support us, that's good. But let's get away from this notion that we're defending the public service. The overwhelming majority of the public do not post letters any more. They are recipients of mail. The customer is the business who pay Royal Mail to deliver the item, usually a packet or parcel, not a letter.

A well-timed strike date would focus Rico's mind. Yes, they'll trot out the usual patronising 'customers will go elsewhere and not come back' dark warnings. However, if he truly believes that is what would happen if strike action takes place, won't the big institutional shareholders be leaning on him to not let the situation descend into a strike ?

I was confident Moya Greene knew the consequences for her future employment in ANY big organisation in the future, were she to have been seen to provoke actions that lost Royal Mail a ton of contracts. She backed off, then fecked off. We need a big YES vote to send Rico the same warning.

Who's ready to take industrial action?

22 Sep 2019, 16:02

clashcityrocker wrote:
daveyeff wrote:just seen an update by Terry P. apparently Rico didn't turn up. :roll: shows he's got no interest whatsoever.

Did anyone think he was going to be there?
Did he say he was going to be there?
Who was there from the union?


For the record these people turned up for the mediation meeting on Date of appointment: 24 October 2017

MEDIATOR: PROFESSOR LYNETTE HARRIS
4. In attendance on behalf of Royal Mail were;

Moya Greene - Chief Executive Officer Jon Millidge – Group HR Director Sue Whalley – Managing Director, Letters and Network Mick Jeavons – Chief of Staff to the CEO Mike Newby- ER/IR Director Anton Harding - Director Delivery Excellence Paul Hampson- Head of Network Optimisation and Logistics (17 November) Simon Barker – Director of Processing and Collections (17 November)

5. In attendance on behalf of the Union were;

Terry Pullinger, Deputy General Secretary (Postal) Ray Ellis, Assistant Secretary (represented by Carl Maden, Sub Assistant Secretary on 26 October 2017) Andy Furey, Assistant Secretary Mark Baulch, Assistant Secretary Davie Robertson, Assistant Secretary Jeremy Baugh, Senior Policy Adviser

6. In attendance to provide specialist pensions advice were Hilary Salt, First Actuarial - on behalf of the CWU (1, 9, 13 and 16 November)
Gareth Boyd, Willis Towers Watson – on behalf of the Royal Mail (1 and 9 November)
Simon Eagle, Willis Towers Watson (13 and 16 November)

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22 Sep 2019, 16:13

wandle wrote:
Takeitforaride wrote:The cost of a stamp needs to go up and we need products and services that the public actually want that helps us and them. RM needs to offer ultimate convenience for the customer. People will pay a premium happily for time savings and convenience.

Sadly, what the general public think is largely irrelevant. Lots of young people have no idea what a postage stamp is! Would they care if RM went out of business? As long as the item they ordered off Amazon/ASOS/M&S etc etc is delivered, they don't really care who delivers it. That's the reality.

We have to take strike action to defend our jobs and our terms and conditions FOR OUR OWN SAKES. If the public support us, that's good. But let's get away from this notion that we're defending the public service. The overwhelming majority of the public do not post letters any more. They are recipients of mail. The customer is the business who pay Royal Mail to deliver the item, usually a packet or parcel, not a letter.

A well-timed strike date would focus Rico's mind. Yes, they'll trot out the usual patronising 'customers will go elsewhere and not come back' dark warnings. However, if he truly believes that is what would happen if strike action takes place, won't the big institutional shareholders be leaning on him to not let the situation descend into a strike ?

I was confident Moya Greene knew the consequences for her future employment in ANY big organisation in the future, were she to have been seen to provoke actions that lost Royal Mail a ton of contracts. She backed off, then fecked off. We need a big YES vote to send Rico the same warning.


While I agree with the majority of your post I would point out that according to the CORPORATE RESPONSIBILITY REPORT 2017– 18
ROYAL MAIL & PARCELFORCE (UK)
AROUND 14.4 BILLION LETTERS HANDLED BY ROYAL MAIL
1.2 BILLION PARCELS HANDLED BY ROYAL MAIL

Who's ready to take industrial action?

22 Sep 2019, 17:42

leolion855 wrote:
worktotime wrote:100 % to stand on the gate , lets not mess about with the 1 or 2 days lets go for all out for as long as it takes to sort this company out , and show Rico we aren't all idiots and they cant do what they want when they want , :thumbup



Thats all well and good but look at what happened to british leyland in the 70s - the customers just went elsewhere and there werent any jobs to go back to.

well if we don't fight we wont have jobs anyway as that's his 5 yr plan , and where would these customers go ? no other company does what we do.

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23 Sep 2019, 04:35

afcdibby wrote:And what about those hard working employees who aren't in the CWU?


Well as the CWU are the ones calling for a vote, the ones paying for it, and the members that pay their subs - why would you expect a non member to get a vote.

They can voice their opinion, but by the rule of law and the Unions rules they have no right to take part in the vote. But they are protected the same as members if there is a strike.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... loyers.pdf

Under section 227 of the 1992 Act entitlement to vote in the ballot must be given to all the union’s members who it is reasonable at the time of the ballot for the union to believe will be induced by the union (whether that inducement will be successful or not) to take part in or continue with the industrial action, and to no other members.

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23 Sep 2019, 11:34

rogersh wrote:
wandle wrote:
Takeitforaride wrote:The cost of a stamp needs to go up and we need products and services that the public actually want that helps us and them. RM needs to offer ultimate convenience for the customer. People will pay a premium happily for time savings and convenience.

Sadly, what the general public think is largely irrelevant. Lots of young people have no idea what a postage stamp is! Would they care if RM went out of business? As long as the item they ordered off Amazon/ASOS/M&S etc etc is delivered, they don't really care who delivers it. That's the reality.

We have to take strike action to defend our jobs and our terms and conditions FOR OUR OWN SAKES. If the public support us, that's good. But let's get away from this notion that we're defending the public service. The overwhelming majority of the public do not post letters any more. They are recipients of mail. The customer is the business who pay Royal Mail to deliver the item, usually a packet or parcel, not a letter.

A well-timed strike date would focus Rico's mind. Yes, they'll trot out the usual patronising 'customers will go elsewhere and not come back' dark warnings. However, if he truly believes that is what would happen if strike action takes place, won't the big institutional shareholders be leaning on him to not let the situation descend into a strike ?

I was confident Moya Greene knew the consequences for her future employment in ANY big organisation in the future, were she to have been seen to provoke actions that lost Royal Mail a ton of contracts. She backed off, then fecked off. We need a big YES vote to send Rico the same warning.


While I agree with the majority of your post I would point out that according to the CORPORATE RESPONSIBILITY REPORT 2017– 18
ROYAL MAIL & PARCELFORCE (UK)
AROUND 14.4 BILLION LETTERS HANDLED BY ROYAL MAIL
1.2 BILLION PARCELS HANDLED BY ROYAL MAIL

Of that 14.4 billion, how many letters were stamped letters sent by the public? Even when I joined Royal Mail 20+ years ago, the proportion of business-to-consumer letters was over 95% of the total traffic!

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23 Sep 2019, 13:40

By Chris Dawson February 25, 2019 - 10:00 am(Edit)
Due to an unfortunate pricing error, Royal Mail have answered the question “How many letters do Royal Mail deliver?”, revealing that they sell around six million 2nd Class stamps each week.

On Friday, Royal Mail announced their price increases for 2019, raising the price of both 1st and 2nd Class stamps by 3p. This puts the price of a 2nd Class stamp at 61p with the change due to kick in on Monday the 25th of March.

The problem is that the price of a basic stamp is regulated by OfCom and there’s a price cap set back in 2012 but which allows for inflation and the new price exceeded this. The overpriced stamps will only last a week as on the 1st of April the cap is due to rise to 65p and will rise at the rate of inflation for the next five years through to 2024.

In some ways this is a trival error as consumers will be charged more for stamps for just 7 days and only by about a penny per stamp. However rules are rules and OfCom will want to know how the mistake happened.

In order to redeem themselves, Royal Mail will be donating their overcharge to their nominated charity – Action for Children, which helps disadvantaged children across the UK. They expect to donate around £60,000.....

What’s interesting is that if Royal Mail are to donate around £60,000 that means that they are expecting to sell around six million second class stamps in a week. Letters, whilst declining around 4% each year, still represent some 55% of Royal Mail’s UK revenues according to their 2017-18 annual statement. Letters represented about £4.15 billion revenue with parcel contributing £3.46 billion.

How many letters do Royal Mail deliver
It’s easy to think that in today’s ecommerce world that most of Royal Mail’s business is now parcels and, while parcels are growing their revenue share at around 4%, Royal Mail are still mainly in the business of delivering letters.

So, how many letters do Royal Mail deliver? In the 2017-18 year Royal Mail delivered around 14.4 billion letters and, even including Parcelforce, only around 1.2 billion parcels.

Who's ready to take industrial action?

24 Sep 2019, 19:51

I think this will be a hard fight so none of this odd day here or there..

I think something like Black Friday and Saturday then Cyber Monday and Tuesday the following week across all functions should show them we mean business.

Yes we don't get paid for 2 days each week but I personally think it's going to be worth it in the long run

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25 Sep 2019, 10:08

Just filled in my ballot paper :nana

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25 Sep 2019, 15:22

Deadly wrote:Just filled in my ballot paper :nana

Mines already in the post box :nana

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25 Sep 2019, 17:23

Having seen 'you may be in breach of contract if you strike' on the ballot paper im not voting either way.

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25 Sep 2019, 17:56

leolion855 wrote:Having seen 'you may be in breach of contract if you strike' on the ballot paper im not voting either way.


https://www.gov.uk/industrial-action-strikes/your-employment-rights-during-industrial-action

My yes vote is in the post.

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25 Sep 2019, 18:01

itinerant wrote:
leolion855 wrote:Having seen 'you may be in breach of contract if you strike' on the ballot paper im not voting either way.


https://www.gov.uk/industrial-action-strikes/your-employment-rights-during-industrial-action

My yes vote is in the post.



However, if you take industrial action, your employer will reduce your length of service with them by the number of days you were on strike. This is important when working out your pension and things like statutory redundancy pay.

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25 Sep 2019, 18:09

leolion855 wrote:
itinerant wrote:
leolion855 wrote:Having seen 'you may be in breach of contract if you strike' on the ballot paper im not voting either way.


https://www.gov.uk/industrial-action-strikes/your-employment-rights-during-industrial-action

My yes vote is in the post.



However, if you take industrial action, your employer will reduce your length of service with them by the number of days you were on strike. This is important when working out your pension and things like statutory redundancy pay.


Are you being serious?

Even if we went on strike for a few weeks that's hardly going to make any difference to any benefit calculations or for pensions. Certainly nothing you should be concerned about or a factor in deciding whether or not to vote for action.

Far more worrying is the thought of what your job might be like in a few years time if all your current benefits are removed\reduced as part of the great "race to the bottom" for working conditions.

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25 Sep 2019, 18:18

itinerant wrote:
leolion855 wrote:
itinerant wrote:
leolion855 wrote:Having seen 'you may be in breach of contract if you strike' on the ballot paper im not voting either way.


https://www.gov.uk/industrial-action-strikes/your-employment-rights-during-industrial-action

My yes vote is in the post.



However, if you take industrial action, your employer will reduce your length of service with them by the number of days you were on strike. This is important when working out your pension and things like statutory redundancy pay.


Are you being serious?

Even if we went on strike for a few weeks that's hardly going to make any difference to any benefit calculations or for pensions. Certainly nothing you should be concerned about or a factor in deciding whether or not to vote for action.

Far more worrying is the thought of what your job might be like in a few years time if all your current benefits are removed\reduced as part of the great "race to the bottom" for working conditions.



Theres always Aldi if Rm goes tits up..

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