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Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

22 Apr 2019, 09:47

Well if tracked items are not part of this then the number of parcels will be negligible, probably only one or two items a day per walk. The vast majority of larger parcels We get are tracked now, over three quarters of our parcel yorks contain tracked maybe even more.

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

22 Apr 2019, 10:40

mr hil. wrote:Well if tracked items are not part of this then the number of parcels will be negligible, probably only one or two items a day per walk. The vast majority of larger parcels We get are tracked now, over three quarters of our parcel yorks contain tracked maybe even more.

Probably similar to here, based on what we send to the DOs in this area

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

22 Apr 2019, 11:31

I personally don't like this strategy of 1 in 6 because its OK Royal Mail saying that we won't deliver anything above shoe-box size - just look at it now and we are not suppose to be delivering these massive parcels that occupy half the van space - yet we are told to go out and deliver them anyway! I think our DOM once took one of those large fridge-freezer parcels back to the mail centre and said we shouldn't be delivering them only to be informed by the clowns above to just go out and get it delivered anyway.

What is to stop Royal Mail pushing forward with these proposals so that we are all out delivering extra calls from another duty AND delivering the oversized parcels that have been accepted into our network and have somehow ended up at our delivery centres as well?

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

22 Apr 2019, 11:35

postslippete wrote:I personally don't like this strategy of 1 in 6 because its OK Royal Mail saying that we won't deliver anything above shoe-box size - just look at it now and we are not suppose to be delivering these massive parcels that occupy half the van space - yet we are told to go out and deliver them anyway! I think our DOM once took one of those large fridge-freezer parcels back to the mail centre and said we shouldn't be delivering them only to be informed by the clowns above to just go out and get it delivered anyway.

What is to stop Royal Mail pushing forward with these proposals so that we are all out delivering extra calls from another duty AND delivering the oversized parcels that have been accepted into our network and have somehow ended up at our delivery centres as well?

I do sometimes wonder if RM intend to merge Parcelforce into RM or split off medium and large parcels over to Parcelfroce

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

22 Apr 2019, 11:57

SpacePhoenix wrote:One thing that's not been confirmed (afaik) is if Tracked will be covered by this (and what size range) and if any SDs will be covered by it as well

Yes it definitely will include the tracked parcels as well.

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

22 Apr 2019, 12:20

postslippete wrote:I personally don't like this strategy of 1 in 6 because its OK Royal Mail saying that we won't deliver anything above shoe-box size - just look at it now and we are not suppose to be delivering these massive parcels that occupy half the van space - yet we are told to go out and deliver them anyway! I think our DOM once took one of those large fridge-freezer parcels back to the mail centre and said we shouldn't be delivering them only to be informed by the clowns above to just go out and get it delivered anyway.

What is to stop Royal Mail pushing forward with these proposals so that we are all out delivering extra calls from another duty AND delivering the oversized parcels that have been accepted into our network and have somehow ended up at our delivery centres as well?



simples work to time.

But if you've watched the cwu video you'll have seen this subject does not exist yet its just a 1 of a number of suggestions that rm may look into in the future and the union dont currently support this option.

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

22 Apr 2019, 12:34

Celgar wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:One thing that's not been confirmed (afaik) is if Tracked will be covered by this (and what size range) and if any SDs will be covered by it as well

Yes it definitely will include the tracked parcels as well.

Well then ALL outward MCs will need to sort out the separation of small Tracked and Large Tracked. There's a loads of yorks of "large Tracked" that actually have main small Tracked and there's loads of sleeves of "small Tracked" that will have lots of large Tracked

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

23 Apr 2019, 16:21

Celgar wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:One thing that's not been confirmed (afaik) is if Tracked will be covered by this (and what size range) and if any SDs will be covered by it as well

Yes it definitely will include the tracked parcels as well.


No it won't.
At the moment the plan is to remove 3&4 from the network, not tracked.

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

23 Apr 2019, 16:29

Woody Guthrie wrote:
Celgar wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:One thing that's not been confirmed (afaik) is if Tracked will be covered by this (and what size range) and if any SDs will be covered by it as well

Yes it definitely will include the tracked parcels as well.


No it won't.
At the moment the plan is to remove 3&4 from the network, not tracked.

If it doesn't include Tracked then it's probably not going to be worth it, as what gets sorted as "large Tracked" is probably now way more then what gets sorted as "large parcels"

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

23 Apr 2019, 16:30

I think as someone else already pointed out it's probably unhelpful to use the term "shoebox size".
What we're actually talking about are non-tracked parcels above 610 x 460 x 460mm, or more than 20kg and postal tubes above 900mm in length.

Those are big shoes.

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

23 Apr 2019, 16:32

SpacePhoenix wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
Celgar wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:One thing that's not been confirmed (afaik) is if Tracked will be covered by this (and what size range) and if any SDs will be covered by it as well

Yes it definitely will include the tracked parcels as well.


No it won't.
At the moment the plan is to remove 3&4 from the network, not tracked.

If it doesn't include Tracked then it's probably not going to be worth it, as what gets sorted as "large Tracked" is probably now way more then what gets sorted as "large parcels"


It'll be worth it if they can use it to justify removing 8,000 deliveries and the delivery members are too stupid to realise they're being screwed over...again.

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

23 Apr 2019, 17:28

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Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

19 May 2019, 12:46

Woody Guthrie wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
Celgar wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:One thing that's not been confirmed (afaik) is if Tracked will be covered by this (and what size range) and if any SDs will be covered by it as well

Yes it definitely will include the tracked parcels as well.


No it won't.
At the moment the plan is to remove 3&4 from the network, not tracked.

If it doesn't include Tracked then it's probably not going to be worth it, as what gets sorted as "large Tracked" is probably now way more then what gets sorted as "large parcels"


It'll be worth it if they can use it to justify removing 8,000 deliveries and the delivery members are too stupid to realise they're being screwed over...again.

The thing is if we went one wave of the css and took ten drive arounds off could be possible but for how long for the people performing the duties how long can they last in the job? some weeks others months or a few years may get 10 years at most doing 6 hour delivery sure nobody has thought the manpower shortage through the army cannot get staff anymore. They the power above don't care it's not our problem till it becomes their problem and it will bite them big time when sick goes through the roof cannot recruit replacements as people don't want part time job's and better paid job's with less demanding work loads it has been the happy time for RM management in that the recession of 2008 till 2018. Now the boot is on the other foot workers chose what they do and staff leave do other jobs less younger people they made the job too hard and they will reap what they have sown a thousand times over for their own greed and bonus culture!

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

19 May 2019, 13:03

k979aaa wrote:The thing is if we went one wave of the css

That would mean the current wave 2 going manual. One wave with the current wave 1 and wave 2 combined could only happen if deliveries started a lot later (minimum of 2-3 hours) than they do now

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

19 May 2019, 13:17

That would mean the current wave 2 going manual.


Already has in a lot of offices.
We did it to protect our start times.
To be honest outside of screwups it's farcical to run a sequenced wave 2 if the MC is hitting its targets of around 80-90% wave 1, wave 2 in our office is around 10% or 50 items.

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

19 May 2019, 17:16

Was a proposal for bench merging or the 8 pocket jacket to put the second wave in as you go a round they did not think we did not have four arms and hands at the time though!

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

19 May 2019, 17:21

The bench merging idea was never going to work and everyone knew it. The current ideas they have in mind are possible to do which is the worrying thing.

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

19 May 2019, 18:20

Which would be removal of large pkt/shoe box size and potentially removal 2 wave CSS could make an hours difference max.

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

19 May 2019, 21:32

Woody Guthrie wrote:
That would mean the current wave 2 going manual.


Already has in a lot of offices.
We did it to protect our start times.
To be honest outside of screwups it's farcical to run a sequenced wave 2 if the MC is hitting its targets of around 80-90% wave 1, wave 2 in our office is around 10% or 50 items.


Completely manual or walk sorted? A few days the batch sizes on wave 2 can be ridiculously small to the point where it seems pointless even walk sorting it

k979aaa wrote:Which would be removal of large pkt/shoe box size and potentially removal 2 wave CSS could make an hours difference max.


If you look at RM's pricing list the packets above "shoe box size" shouldn't even be in RM's network in the first place, they should have gone through Parcelforce's network

Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

20 May 2019, 08:53

SpacePhoenix wrote:
If you look at RM's pricing list the packets above "shoe box size" shouldn't even be in RM's network in the first place, they should have gone through Parcelforce's network

This is one of the things that I don't understand, why are Royal Mail and Parcelforce competing for work? You'd have thought that anything over a certain size would automatically be directed towards Parcelforce.

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