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Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

10 Sep 2016, 19:15

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
Creditshampoo wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
Creditshampoo wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
DocketLefty wrote:My grievance is being put in Monday morning regarding this. I will win.

good luck :thumbup


Thanks it's with royal mails lawyers now apparently...

just think its sad individual members have to take a stand on this.


So do I. I believe my rep should be doing this...she wasn't very supportive in the slightest.
Any idea how I come a rep? :roll:

wouldn't help. As a rep in this situation you would have to do the representation on a personal basis with no official support, Why, because the CWU already have a policy and action plan in place.

By that I mean I have posted at least 1 LTB on it, beyond that heard nothing.


What's the unions policy and action then?

Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

10 Sep 2016, 19:22

charlie1 wrote:Dave Ward CWU even sent out a letter to say the CWU would be pursuing this on behalf of members.


did he forget the stamp and R.M didn't pay the surcharge?

Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

10 Sep 2016, 19:26

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Responses to Employment Tribunal on Holiday Pay

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WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE – HOLIDAY PAY

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LTB 64/15 HOLIDAY PAY - EUROPEAN WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE


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CWU lodge formal claim with Royal Mail over Working Time Directive

Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

10 Sep 2016, 19:57

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/community/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=66396
Responses to Employment Tribunal on Holiday Pay

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=65660
WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE – HOLIDAY PAY

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=67886
LTB 64/15 HOLIDAY PAY - EUROPEAN WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE


viewtopic.php?f=18&t=65706
CWU lodge formal claim with Royal Mail over Working Time Directive

Interesting but dave ward said following the next meeting with royal mail information would be sent out to members....two years ago!!

Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

10 Sep 2016, 19:58

Creditshampoo wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/community/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=66396
Responses to Employment Tribunal on Holiday Pay

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=65660
WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE – HOLIDAY PAY

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=67886
LTB 64/15 HOLIDAY PAY - EUROPEAN WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE


viewtopic.php?f=18&t=65706
CWU lodge formal claim with Royal Mail over Working Time Directive

Interesting but dave ward said following the next meeting with royal mail information would be sent out to members....two years ago!!


LMFAO

Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

10 Sep 2016, 19:58

All smoke and no fire.

Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

10 Sep 2016, 20:34

DocketLefty wrote:All smoke and no fire.

totally agree :Very Happy :crazy:

Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

10 Sep 2016, 20:45

True blue terrier
Thanks, but .....Those are pretty old posts now and there have been significant appeals, and EAT decisions since 2014, together with other employers accepting the rulings and treating their employees fairly and paying up.
Is there anyone out there who can tell us what the CWU are doing as of right now? They should be persuing this now as it benefits full time and part time employees.
Hopefully they are, and if not then without delay they should pick up and support those who have made individual grievances to date with a view to negotiating or obtaining a ruling for all.
There's a lot about poor employers having to pay for overtime when staff are on holiday and the effects it will have, but frankly in the case of RM people might think that the RM are advertising part time roles for staff they know will be asked to work full time hours to meet their business need with the pre meditated and deliberate intention of avoiding paying them a fair rate of holiday or sick pay?
Isnt the reason we have a trade union to stand up for workers rights and make sure they are treated fairly?
I've only been in the RM for about 3 months but some of the things that Ive been told about and seen are in my opinion staggering in the 21st century. The people at the top need to hope that the next government a Sports Direct style enquiry or undercover program doesn't occor soon!!!

Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

10 Sep 2016, 20:59

telithowitis wrote:True blue terrier
There's a lot about poor employers having to pay for overtime when staff are on holiday and the effects it will have, but frankly in the case of RM people might think that the RM are advertising part time roles for staff they know will be asked to work full time hours to meet their business need with the pre meditated and deliberate intention of avoiding paying them a fair rate of holiday or sick pay?


Great post. I would love to know the last year they advertised full time jobs.

The part timers in my office do exactly the same job as full timers. Not receiving the same holiday pay sick pay Christmas bonus etc is being treated differently and it's disgusting.

The times advertised online are typically 9am-2pm only for them to be placed on full time duties within days of their first day with little training.

Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

10 Sep 2016, 21:04

telithowitis wrote:True blue terrier
Thanks, but .....Those are pretty old posts now and there have been significant appeals, and EAT decisions since 2014, together with other employers accepting the rulings and treating their employees fairly and paying up.
Is there anyone out there who can tell us what the CWU are doing as of right now? They should be persuing this now as it benefits full time and part time employees.
Hopefully they are, and if not then without delay they should pick up and support those who have made individual grievances to date with a view to negotiating or obtaining a ruling for all.
There's a lot about poor employers having to pay for overtime when staff are on holiday and the effects it will have, but frankly in the case of RM people might think that the RM are advertising part time roles for staff they know will be asked to work full time hours to meet their business need with the pre meditated and deliberate intention of avoiding paying them a fair rate of holiday or sick pay?
Isnt the reason we have a trade union to stand up for workers rights and make sure they are treated fairly?
I've only been in the RM for about 3 months but some of the things that Ive been told about and seen are in my opinion staggering in the 21st century. The people at the top need to hope that the next government a Sports Direct style enquiry or undercover program doesn't occor soon!!!

I don't disagree. My point wasn't to say that the Union are doing well on this, far from that in my opinion. But just to highlight that a rep has to follow the CWUs policies etc, now matter how old. Therefore becoming a rep, or using a rep won't help unless they/you follow this up in a personal capacity.

Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

11 Sep 2016, 14:31

I really would like to see the CWU pull their finger out over this, as said its been some time without even an update from them. Not great is it from a Communications Union. A good result for the members would be a boost for the CWU too, as many are becoming increasingly disillusioned with them.
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Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

11 Sep 2016, 14:40

If the part timers working full time hours on full time duties were made full time the CWU would have more money for a start

Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

11 Sep 2016, 17:41

I have requested an update on this from the CWU on the union rooms board.

Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

22 Oct 2018, 19:05

Any updates on this topic ?? I am a 24 hr contract but do average 35-37 hours p/w since July 2018. Before that I was on a 30hr contract but doing average 35 hours per week.!

Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

22 Oct 2018, 19:19

Test case still ongoing according to branch sec.

Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

23 Oct 2018, 17:06

I'm full time but do ,generally , an extra 6-9hrs a week to complete it ( round too big) . So it's not just PT it applies to.

Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

23 Oct 2018, 17:39

telithowitis wrote:True blue terrier
Thanks, but .....Those are pretty old posts now and there have been significant appeals, and EAT decisions since 2014, together with other employers accepting the rulings and treating their employees fairly and paying up.
Is there anyone out there who can tell us what the CWU are doing as of right now? They should be persuing this now as it benefits full time and part time employees.
Hopefully they are, and if not then without delay they should pick up and support those who have made individual grievances to date with a view to negotiating or obtaining a ruling for all.
There's a lot about poor employers having to pay for overtime when staff are on holiday and the effects it will have, but frankly in the case of RM people might think that the RM are advertising part time roles for staff they know will be asked to work full time hours to meet their business need with the pre meditated and deliberate intention of avoiding paying them a fair rate of holiday or sick pay?
Isnt the reason we have a trade union to stand up for workers rights and make sure they are treated fairly?
I've only been in the RM for about 3 months but some of the things that Ive been told about and seen are in my opinion staggering in the 21st century. The people at the top need to hope that the next government a Sports Direct style enquiry or undercover program doesn't occor soon!!!

Regarding undercover reporters working in RM I'm more than surprised it hasn't happened already. Aside from this issue of holiday pay the larger problem is the vast amount of work being completed unpaid within the business. If this ever got spread across the press RM would be right in the ****!!!

Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

24 Oct 2018, 13:20

Celgar wrote:Regarding undercover reporters working in RM I'm more than surprised it hasn't happened already.


It has but they weren't bothered by our plight, just the fact that theft was "rife" and the Union being too strong:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgIkfetsnVI&t=1998s

Part timers to receive overtime pay on holiday?

24 Oct 2018, 20:08

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:

It has but they weren't bothered by our plight, just the fact that theft was "rife" and the Union being too strong:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgIkfetsnVI&t=1998s


A very interesting programme, very easy to stand on the sidelines and slag them down but I would not have wanted to work in either of those Delivery Offices. :thumbdown I take it that was filmed in about 2009/2010? I haven't worked with Agency Workers (out on Delivery) since about 2006. I must admit the majority of them were a bloody nightmare, and I can understand why we no longer use them.The "Training" was abysmal......... we used to issue printed bundling lists & route guides to those that needed them. I'm always being told "Anyone" can do this job it's easy........ obviously not that easy. :hmmmm

What did stand out was the ammount of time everyone just seemed to stand around doing Bugger All, one guy even kipping in the Rest Room. :shock: I'm no company man but my Delivery Office look like a Hive of Activity in comparison....... I'll have to tell everyone to calm down tomorrow, and take it easy. :cuppa

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