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LTB 128/24 - Royal Mail Property & Facilities Solution Limited (RMPFSL) - Pay Claim 2024
No. 128/24
17th April 2024
Dear Colleagues,
Royal Mail Property & Facilities Solution Limited (RMPFSL) – Pay Claim 2024
The purpose of this LTB (Letter To Branches) is to update Branches, Representatives and members alike concerning our Royal Mail Property & Facilities Solution Limited (RMPFSL) Pay Claim for 2024, as well as confirming the impact in terms of National Living Wage uplift from April of this year for our cleaning grades.
Firstly, Branches will be aware that the government announced an increase to the National Living Wage from £10.90 to £11.44 per hour effective from 1st April 2024. RMPFSL have confirmed that this legislative rate change will impact on all our national static and multi-site cleaning grades, who will receive this increase from April onwards.
Whilst this is clearly welcome news for the relevant members, it does not address the union’s pay claim. Disappointingly, RMPFSL have still not formally replied to the CWU on this matter, despite our pay claim being tabled back in December of last year and outlined in LTB 342/23. To confirm, as with previous years, we have set out our claim to cover 3 sections:
Generic – Pay and Terms & Conditions, which cover all grades;
Engineering and Generic Admin grades;
Cleaning grades.
Indeed, this remains somewhat of a concerning development, as RMPFSL have now failed to respond to our claim for approximately five months, however further meetings are now scheduled for week commencing 29th April.
We will of course update Branches and members accordingly in due course. Any enquiries regarding the content of this LTB should be addressed to the PTCS Department, quoting reference number 320, email: hmaughan@cwu.org or the Outdoor Department, quoting reference number 120.12, email: Pharacz@cwu.org.
Yours sincerely,
Bobby Weatherall
Acting Assistant Secretary
Mark Baulch
Assistant Secretary
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LTB 128/24 - Royal Mail Property & Facilities Solution Limited (RMPFSL) - Pay Claim 2024
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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Re: LTB 128/24 - Royal Mail Property & Facilities Solution Limited (RMPFSL) - Pay Claim 2024
The minimum wage wasn't £10.90. It was £10.54, for over 23 years olds. The £10.90 was what cleaners in RM were on until the minimum wage went up to £11.44 in April. It went up 90p per hour. Which is still s**t. It should be at least £20 per hour, no matter your age. But until EVERYONE wakes up and takes coordinated action/ strikes nothing will change. Look at the new RM contracts. Don't think for one moment that in a couple of years the older contracts will be offered/ forced into the lower pay for a couple of pounds compensation. And they will get it because they always have in the past, like back when options for change came in.POSTMAN wrote: ↑17 Apr 2024, 15:58https://www.cwu.org/ltb/ltb-128-24-roya ... laim-2024/
LTB 128/24 - Royal Mail Property & Facilities Solution Limited (RMPFSL) - Pay Claim 2024
No. 128/24
17th April 2024
Dear Colleagues,
Royal Mail Property & Facilities Solution Limited (RMPFSL) – Pay Claim 2024
The purpose of this LTB (Letter To Branches) is to update Branches, Representatives and members alike concerning our Royal Mail Property & Facilities Solution Limited (RMPFSL) Pay Claim for 2024, as well as confirming the impact in terms of National Living Wage uplift from April of this year for our cleaning grades.
Firstly, Branches will be aware that the government announced an increase to the National Living Wage from £10.90 to £11.44 per hour effective from 1st April 2024. RMPFSL have confirmed that this legislative rate change will impact on all our national static and multi-site cleaning grades, who will receive this increase from April onwards.
Whilst this is clearly welcome news for the relevant members, it does not address the union’s pay claim. Disappointingly, RMPFSL have still not formally replied to the CWU on this matter, despite our pay claim being tabled back in December of last year and outlined in LTB 342/23. To confirm, as with previous years, we have set out our claim to cover 3 sections:
Generic – Pay and Terms & Conditions, which cover all grades;
Engineering and Generic Admin grades;
Cleaning grades.
Indeed, this remains somewhat of a concerning development, as RMPFSL have now failed to respond to our claim for approximately five months, however further meetings are now scheduled for week commencing 29th April.
We will of course update Branches and members accordingly in due course. Any enquiries regarding the content of this LTB should be addressed to the PTCS Department, quoting reference number 320, email: hmaughan@cwu.org or the Outdoor Department, quoting reference number 120.12, email: Pharacz@cwu.org.
Yours sincerely,
Bobby Weatherall
Acting Assistant Secretary
Mark Baulch
Assistant Secretary
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Re: LTB 128/24 - Royal Mail Property & Facilities Solution Limited (RMPFSL) - Pay Claim 2024
Royal Mail Property & Facilities Solution Limited (RMPFSL) – Pay Claim 2024 (Update)
Royal Mail Property & Facilities Solution Limited (RMPFSL) – Pay Claim 2024 (Update)
Further to LTB 128/24 (Letter To Branches) issued on 17th April, we are writing to share an update regarding the Pay Claim for 2024 for all our members in RMPFSL and the Company’s response.
By way of recap, the CWU first submitted the formal Pay Claim on behalf of our members for 2024 back in December of last year in a serious attempt to secure a speedy resolution, in order for any reached agreement to be in place by the pay date of April 2024. Disappointingly, RMPFSL management failed to respond to our claim for approximately five months, however we can now confirm that in the past month we have received a pay offer and have also met with them twice.
The management has now tabled a formal, but ‘closed offer’ on pay, however it is littered with upfront proposals and demands to change several associated terms and conditions of employment aspects, alongside other programmes and activities, all outlined by RMPFSL, based on the need to cut staff and operational costs.
While we are willing to address some needed and difficult changes, there is still little in the way of common ground between us in terms of the conditions and demands placed by RMPFSL, which they require us to meet before they are willing to move forward with the pay claim talks. We also believe that this is unacceptable on RMPFSL’s part, since initially, as mentioned above, we were kept waiting for a response to the Union’s original claim for many months.
Indeed, as if this matter was not difficult enough, at the same time that RMPFSL set out its ‘closed offer’ and linked conditions, they further wrote to the CWU to advise that the Cleaning Incentive Scheme, agreed and outlined in the 2022 / 24 Pay and Associated Agreement, had not achieved its second half financial or recycling targets. This announcement was even more bitter, given the fact that we concluded the terms of this Bonus Arrangement with the assistance of ACAS, based on the strong upfront assurances made by the company that, whilst achieving the recycling target was going to be challenging, the financial target was very much on course and was achievable.
As outlined above, we now find ourselves in another difficult position with RMPFSL concerning pay and conditions, noting our long-standing policy and claim for full harmonisation on terms and conditions with the rest of the Royal Mail Group.
We have advised RMPFSL that we will now need to reflect on their outlined position and formally respond before we are able to resume further negotiations. We have also asked them to reflect on their position and have requested that further meetings are arranged, as both parties have been clear that they remain committed to continuing discussions. Equally, however, there is a marked and considerable gap between each party’s position, which we remain determined to seek to narrow down.
Royal Mail Property & Facilities Solution Limited (RMPFSL) – Pay Claim 2024 (Update)
Further to LTB 128/24 (Letter To Branches) issued on 17th April, we are writing to share an update regarding the Pay Claim for 2024 for all our members in RMPFSL and the Company’s response.
By way of recap, the CWU first submitted the formal Pay Claim on behalf of our members for 2024 back in December of last year in a serious attempt to secure a speedy resolution, in order for any reached agreement to be in place by the pay date of April 2024. Disappointingly, RMPFSL management failed to respond to our claim for approximately five months, however we can now confirm that in the past month we have received a pay offer and have also met with them twice.
The management has now tabled a formal, but ‘closed offer’ on pay, however it is littered with upfront proposals and demands to change several associated terms and conditions of employment aspects, alongside other programmes and activities, all outlined by RMPFSL, based on the need to cut staff and operational costs.
While we are willing to address some needed and difficult changes, there is still little in the way of common ground between us in terms of the conditions and demands placed by RMPFSL, which they require us to meet before they are willing to move forward with the pay claim talks. We also believe that this is unacceptable on RMPFSL’s part, since initially, as mentioned above, we were kept waiting for a response to the Union’s original claim for many months.
Indeed, as if this matter was not difficult enough, at the same time that RMPFSL set out its ‘closed offer’ and linked conditions, they further wrote to the CWU to advise that the Cleaning Incentive Scheme, agreed and outlined in the 2022 / 24 Pay and Associated Agreement, had not achieved its second half financial or recycling targets. This announcement was even more bitter, given the fact that we concluded the terms of this Bonus Arrangement with the assistance of ACAS, based on the strong upfront assurances made by the company that, whilst achieving the recycling target was going to be challenging, the financial target was very much on course and was achievable.
As outlined above, we now find ourselves in another difficult position with RMPFSL concerning pay and conditions, noting our long-standing policy and claim for full harmonisation on terms and conditions with the rest of the Royal Mail Group.
We have advised RMPFSL that we will now need to reflect on their outlined position and formally respond before we are able to resume further negotiations. We have also asked them to reflect on their position and have requested that further meetings are arranged, as both parties have been clear that they remain committed to continuing discussions. Equally, however, there is a marked and considerable gap between each party’s position, which we remain determined to seek to narrow down.
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Re: LTB 128/24 - Royal Mail Property & Facilities Solution Limited (RMPFSL) - Pay Claim 2024
RM Property & Facilities Solutions Limited (PFSL) and CWU Negotiators Agreement
covering pay and associated issues 2024/25
This Negotiators Agreement contains the position reached between RM Property &
Facilities Solutions Limited (PFSL) and the CWU regarding pay and associated issues for
CWU represented grades in PFSL 2024/25.
Outlined below are the full details of the pay agreement subject to CWU members’
ratification:
Cleaners’ Pay:
• Increase to hourly pay for cleaning grades as recommended by the Real Living
Wage Foundation for the financial year 24/25 effective from 1st April 2024. To
confirm this is £12 per hour for national cleaners and £13.15 per hour for
London.
• 50p per hour differential for mobile cleaners backdated to April 2024. This
means national relief cleaners’ pay will increase to £12.50 per hour and London
relief cleaners to £13.65 per hour.
There is a joint commitment for both parties to review Real Living Wage rates set
by the Living Wage Foundation each year.
The level of any increase awarded in future years will be subject to further
negotiation, affordability and agreement.
Engineering and Generic Admin Pay:
• 2% increase to basic pay, effective 1st April 2024
• A one off non-consolidated lump sum of £250 (pro-rata for part-time workers)
• We have jointly agreed to review the Technical Pay Structure in Engineering with
a joint aim to conclude those discussions before the next pay review is due in
April 2025.
All payments, including backpay, will be made as soon as possible once the agreement
has been endorsed by CWU members in a consultative ballot. The CWU will share the
ballot details separately.
covering pay and associated issues 2024/25
This Negotiators Agreement contains the position reached between RM Property &
Facilities Solutions Limited (PFSL) and the CWU regarding pay and associated issues for
CWU represented grades in PFSL 2024/25.
Outlined below are the full details of the pay agreement subject to CWU members’
ratification:
Cleaners’ Pay:
• Increase to hourly pay for cleaning grades as recommended by the Real Living
Wage Foundation for the financial year 24/25 effective from 1st April 2024. To
confirm this is £12 per hour for national cleaners and £13.15 per hour for
London.
• 50p per hour differential for mobile cleaners backdated to April 2024. This
means national relief cleaners’ pay will increase to £12.50 per hour and London
relief cleaners to £13.65 per hour.
There is a joint commitment for both parties to review Real Living Wage rates set
by the Living Wage Foundation each year.
The level of any increase awarded in future years will be subject to further
negotiation, affordability and agreement.
Engineering and Generic Admin Pay:
• 2% increase to basic pay, effective 1st April 2024
• A one off non-consolidated lump sum of £250 (pro-rata for part-time workers)
• We have jointly agreed to review the Technical Pay Structure in Engineering with
a joint aim to conclude those discussions before the next pay review is due in
April 2025.
All payments, including backpay, will be made as soon as possible once the agreement
has been endorsed by CWU members in a consultative ballot. The CWU will share the
ballot details separately.
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