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10 Apr 2019, 15:05

toonlad2 wrote:my payrate has dropped by £1.30 a hour on the plus side im payed for the full 8 hour nightshift theres no breaks taken off,on negative side the pension they have taken off is quite large in comparison to other weeks


So nights is down £1:30 hr?

I was close with my calcs then

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10 Apr 2019, 15:16

toonlad2 wrote:my payrate has dropped by £1.30 a hour on the plus side im payed for the full 8 hour nightshift theres no breaks taken off,on negative side the pension they have taken off is quite large in comparison to other weeks


That sounds about right. I've just been trying to figure out how much a late shift rate may drop and worked it out to a £1.26 drop, maybe more. I'm waiting for somebody to text me with the new figure once they look at their payslip. Most shifts I normally work are short and have always been paid in full so I will lose out. The drop on the hourly rate will be calculated on a 38 hour week which most of us never achieve.

Pension contributions have gone up to 5%.

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10 Apr 2019, 15:53

As i alluded to in an earlier post, if you like to do all the hours and earn then this is a real hit to earning potential.

it wont be made up for by being paid 45mins for a break
(paid at the new lower rate)

Pay is now likely parity with RM full timers,

what a bummer. :-(
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10 Apr 2019, 18:00

Another point someone pointed out to me is, by being paid for breaks then the overtime cut off ceiling will be reached sooner
so the overtime rates will drop sooner than they presently do

ie you'll hit 40 hrs in 5 days (8hrs x 5)
instead of 7.15hrs x 5 as currently with breaks deducted)
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10 Apr 2019, 18:21

Overtime pay now kicks in at 38 hours as opposed to 34h40m previously.

I have my new rate card (except it is missing the Sunday nightshift rate). Generally speaking rates are down by £1-£1.25 per hour for weekdays and about £1.50-£1.80 per hour for Sundays. Doing the maths I’ll be either a quid or so better or worse off depending on the length of the shift.

Holiday pay is now 13.29% and 13.79% after 5 years service.

Where I’ll feel the hit is silly little 3 or 4 hour shifts where I normally wouldn’t get/take a break. We may now get a break but it won’t change the fact I’ll take home less for those shifts.

Been paid my holiday this week - and should whinge about it elsewhere - but it’s not 12.07% of my gross pay for last year. I deducted any holiday payments but I’m still £60 short. All the back money (underpay from cockups and pay rises) should surely be included in their calcs as last year’s holiday payment would have been based on the rates paid before the uplift. There’s always summat....

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10 Apr 2019, 18:42

Looking through my rate card it's between £1.22 & £1.71 per hour less. Not getting any shifts currently but in the busier periods will be about £30 a week worse off as most of my weekday shifts were short.

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10 Apr 2019, 19:14

My £15.28 rate fir 17:15 - 22:15 shift is now £14.06
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10 Apr 2019, 19:46

NW11851 wrote:My £15.28 rate fir 17:15 - 22:15 shift is now £14.06


My pay for that shift would be £13.14; previously £14.20. Nights were £15.47 and are now £14.25. Biggest drop is for a Sunday nightshift - was £21.58, now £19.87 (I think, it’s missing off the rate card I was sent).

They have removed the increase after 5 years service (which was only a few pence anyway, presumably to compensate for the extra holiday entitlement RM staff get after this time). Our holiday entitlement goes up by 0.5% then instead.

I’m still concerned that due to fluctuating finish times, we won’t get the same amount of breaks as Royal Mail staff. If RM staff get a grace break/discretionary break every nightshift (so basically get an hour instead of the 40 minute entitlement), should we get that too? At the moment we aren’t even getting the 40 minutes (unless this has changed since my last nightshift).

EDIT: I notice your Sunday night rate is also missing. Is this something they have overlooked, or a formatting error on the spreadsheets?

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10 Apr 2019, 20:05

Hi
Is that Gatwick MC pdf soreadsheet london specific or are those rates the same for the rest of the country?

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10 Apr 2019, 21:17

Sorry, no idea about any other MC Rate Cards

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10 Apr 2019, 22:25

NW11851 wrote:Sorry, no idea about any other MC Rate Cards


I'm about £1.25 less in weekdays and about £2.08 on Sunday in a couple of Northern mail centres
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10 Apr 2019, 22:26

paulus103 wrote:
NW11851 wrote:Sorry, no idea about any other MC Rate Cards


I'm about £1.25 less in weekdays and about £1.50 on Sunday in a couple of Northern mail centres


I'm including the 2% "pay rise" in that

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11 Apr 2019, 00:36

Lets face it

The 1st april 2% pay rise was going to add 30 pence per hour to all those fantastical rates

they just couldnt have that

so cooked up a way of cutting pay rates that'd buy them a few more years

Kocur & Roberts won their appeal but gave the green light for a rate cut for everyone

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11 Apr 2019, 10:25

2chorizon wrote:Lets face it

The 1st april 2% pay rise was going to add 30 pence per hour to all those fantastical rates

they just couldnt have that

so cooked up a way of cutting pay rates that'd buy them a few more years

Kocur & Roberts won their appeal but gave the green light for a rate cut for everyone


Not sure about the green light - more that this was out there in public domain and people seeing this was an option.
I know people are discussing it our mail centre following the drastic reduction of shifts following a re-alignment - I know one guy is going through the local MP

I am really surprised that they handled it so poorly and provided such misleading information in the initial email e.g. you may not see the 2% pay rise???
In reality, not only do we not see the pay rise we actually also see £1+ per hour pay cut

If you speak to them on the phone they really don't like the words "pay cut"

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11 Apr 2019, 10:44

Just been looking through the new figures for my MC (same as Gatwick) and it's only on shifts over 6 hours that you lose out slightly. The shorter the shift the more you are in front if a 30 minute break was previously deducted. The worse shift is what I normally do 4 hours where we always got paid in full. I'll see my money drop £4.88 per shift and I usually managed to take an unofficial 20 minute break anyway.

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11 Apr 2019, 11:23

Kocur and Roberts Ave done us all a favour, whatever you May think.

In the long-term, this has opened the floodgates to (nearly) full equality.

Christmas Bonus and perks,
Door Keys etc

In the long run, I think we will all be better off.

There are other cases at The a Employment Tribunals awaiting hearings.

Angard don’t want to ‘engage’ with ACAS and RM are unhappy - particularly as at least one of the cases quoted the Kocur and Roberts judgements. RM know they are on a loser and are having difficulty comping to terms with that.

Angard are now recruiting their second batch of 100 Casuals this year.
Presumably they are hoping to save costs by only calling in staff with less than 12 weeks.

That went well on Monday and Wednesday Lates - the two newbies could not tell the difference between Cirst and Se ind clas parcel sacks and routed everything randomly.

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11 Apr 2019, 11:27

2chorizon wrote:Hi
Is that Gatwick MC pdf soreadsheet london specific or are those rates the same for the rest of the country?


To protect my identity, I don’t really want to post my rate card but all the rates are about £1 less than Gatwick’s at the Northern Mail Centre I work at.

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11 Apr 2019, 11:34

tabact wrote:The worse shift is what I normally do 4 hours where we always got paid in full. I'll see my money drop £4.88 per shift and I usually managed to take an unofficial 20 minute break anyway.


To be fair to Royal Mail now I get an official 20 minute break, technically I'm earning 17p more for a 4 hour shift. If you take the Gatwick late rate which was 15.28 it would have gone up to 15.59 with the 2% rise instead it's 14.06 so an actual drop of £1.53 per hour.

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11 Apr 2019, 12:36

NW11851 wrote:Kocur and Roberts Ave done us all a favour, whatever you May think.

In the long-term, this has opened the floodgates to (nearly) full equality.

Christmas Bonus and perks,
Door Keys etc

In the long run, I think we will all be better off.

There are other cases at The a Employment Tribunals awaiting hearings.

Angard don’t want to ‘engage’ with ACAS and RM are unhappy - particularly as at least one of the cases quoted the Kocur and Roberts judgements. RM know they are on a loser and are having difficulty comping to terms with that.

Angard are now recruiting their second batch of 100 Casuals this year.
Presumably they are hoping to save costs by only calling in staff with less than 12 weeks.

That went well on Monday and Wednesday Lates - the two newbies could not tell the difference between Cirst and Se ind clas parcel sacks and routed everything randomly.


Yep I think you are right

In my mail centre, Angard are being replaced by RM staff (part time contracts) and this process will accelerate shortly
They are however still recruiting new Angard so I'm assuming they want to save costs that way

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20 Apr 2019, 08:20

I don't know if you know about it but Irwin Mitchell are taking Angard and Royal Mail to Leeds court for not adhering to the 12 week working regulations which states equal pay, overtime etc, as the RM Employees. My husband works for Pertemps who are trying the same thing. It's illegal not to pay the same so I would give Irwin Mitchell a ring, the more people that give them information the better. And just where did they get the overtime rate from (I think their calculator is broken lol', its lower than the normal rate) who is going to work overtime for that!

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