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Holiday pay.

13 Feb 2019, 12:51

No matter how I try to work out the number of hours holiday pay I earn each week, my answer never agrees with Angard's. I do take into account the fact that holiday pay is given in arrears and at 12.07% of hours worked. Any ideas ?

Holiday pay.

13 Feb 2019, 16:28

Lets assume you earn £1000 in the current tax year from Angard.

Holiday pay is 12.07% of this.

£120.70

Very simple.


So if you work a 4 hour shift as an example you would get 0.48 hours of holiday entitlement added to your holiday balance.

12.07% of 4 = 0.48

Holiday pay.

13 Feb 2019, 16:36

dianecarberry wrote:Lets assume you earn £1000 in the current tax year from Angard.

Holiday pay is 12.07% of this.

£120.70

Very simple.


You can't check how many hours should be in your holiday total on the payslip though because they keep averaging the hourly rate dependent on how many hours you have worked in the previous 13 weeks. You used to be able to work out the weekly increase in hours using the 'holiday' rate of £10 an hour and when you took some holiday the total hours would be adjusted to compensate if a different rate was used but that seems to have changed to accrued holiday hours following a variable rate. I've asked them previously if the current holiday rate being used could be shown on the payslip but this is not possible so short of ringing them each week to ask what your rate is it's impossible to check. I've just tried my last few payslips as I'm on holiday at the moment so have a current holiday hourly rate but couldn't get the hours to match.

I complain about this every year and they have admitted in the past it is unnecessarily complicated but this is Angard so nothing will change. If they dropped using the average hours from the previous 13 weeks it would be simple, multiply by 12.07% and divide by 10 to get the number of holiday hours. The only real check is at the end of the tax year when you can see your gross pay for the year and multiply that by 12.07% to cross check you have been paid the correct holiday totals. If you have any holiday outstanding check the figures after they pay that out.

Holiday pay.

13 Feb 2019, 17:43

dianecarberry wrote:Lets assume you earn £1000 in the current tax year from Angard.

Holiday pay is 12.07% of this.

£120.70

Very simple.


So if you work a 4 hour shift as an example you would get 0.48 hours of holiday entitlement added to your holiday balance.

12.07% of 4 = 0.48



If only it was that simple.

Holiday pay.

13 Feb 2019, 19:25

If you don't put any holiday in before the end of the tax year do they pay out? Only started in January so probably won't build up much but not planning any holidays until the summer.

Holiday pay.

13 Feb 2019, 20:13

You don't need to over complicate this issue.

Whatever you earn in the financial year to April 2019 in gross wages you get 12.07% extra in holiday pay.

That is the bottom line.

of course you might get different holiday pay rates per hour for holidays taken from time to time which over complicates things.

However at the end of the financial year it all balances out and works out to 12.07% of earnings.

I have checked this for the past 3 years and my holiday pay is bang on to the penny.

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13 Feb 2019, 20:43

26l34 wrote:If you don't put any holiday in before the end of the tax year do they pay out? Only started in January so probably won't build up much but not planning any holidays until the summer.


You may get an email saying you have to use up any outstanding holiday but in practice most people take the money which is normally paid out in April.

Holiday pay.

13 Feb 2019, 22:35

This is an email I got off Angard some months ago if it helps anyone:

When a holiday claim is input on the system, it can be paid at any rate between £7.50 - £10. Unfortunately this is chosen by the system, and cannot be manually manipulated to a suitable rate which reflects your hourly rate of pay. I will give you two possible outcomes of a holiday claim of 5 hours, with a remaining holiday pot of £50:

You can be awarded a rate of £10 per hour, which will leave you with a holiday pot of zero.

You can alternatively be awarded at a rate of £7.50, which will leave £12.25 in your holiday pot that you can use at a later date.

-

I understand that the current system is overly complicated, and not ideal for yourself or your colleagues.

My team have raised a ticket with our IT team, we have requested a holiday system to better reflect your hourly rate of pay.

Hopefully the request will be processed, and implemented in the upcoming months.

Thank you.

Holiday pay.

13 Feb 2019, 22:57

Couple of years back I got paid at £10.05 per hour so the maximum of £10 per hour can be beaten. :Very Happy

The low hourly rate will only become an isssue if they ever insist on all holiday being taken. I know a couple of people who have over 300 hours accrued so theoretically would have to take 7 or 8 weeks off to use it up.

Holiday pay.

13 Feb 2019, 23:07

tabact

The hourly rate paid for holiday pay is totally irrelevant.

At the end of the year when you take your gross salary for the financial year you will get 12.07% extra in holiday pay.

Holiday pay.

14 Feb 2019, 08:44

Last week I got paid £11.38 holiday rate and it always baffles me how they calculate the hourly rate.

Holiday pay.

14 Feb 2019, 09:07

The hourly rate applied to holiday pay is irrelevant.

At the end of the year it balances out.

At the end of the financial year you will get 12.07% of your gross wages as holiday pay.

This is the bottom line.

Holiday pay.

14 Feb 2019, 12:47

Metalman wrote:No matter how I try to work out the number of hours holiday pay I earn each week, my answer never agrees with Angard's. I do take into account the fact that holiday pay is given in arrears and at 12.07% of hours worked. Any ideas ?


Back in 2013 I too was bemused by how Angard calculated holiday pay. I have put together some of my following posts on the Angard forum.


I have been informed by Angard payroll re calculation of holiday; “ You earn 12.07% of your gross weekly wages as holiday entitlement. This amount is then divided by your current pay rate to calculate your accrued hours.. Your pay rate gradually increases from the lower rate to your current standard rate as you work more weeks at the higher rate, however your entitlement remains the same. So while your pay rate is one rate your holiday pay can be lower but this is correct. At a lower rate you will accrue more hours and at a higher rate you will accrue less hours.”

The following example taken from a website agrees, IN PART, as a way to calculate holiday pay for casuals.
“Since April 2009, under the Working Time Regulations 1998 (as amended), all employees have the right to 28 days, or 5.6 weeks, paid leave (including statutory bank holidays) each year.
5.6 weeks holiday, divided by 46.4 weeks (52 weeks less 5.6 weeks holiday) equals 12.07%.
A member of staff who is full time, or part time with fixed hours, usually has their holiday pay included in their salary. Unless it is otherwise contracted, casual staff, or those with irregular hours, have their holiday pay added on to their pay. Sub contractors (those not paid through your payroll) are not normally entitled to holiday pay.
So the simplest way to calculate how much a member of staff who works irregular hours is entitled to receive in holiday pay is to multiply their actual earnings by 12.07%.
For example, if a casual worker has worked 100 hours, they will have accrued 12.07 hours holiday. If their hourly rate is £10, they are entitled to £120.70 holiday pay.
It is vital that the holiday pay is separately identified on their pay slip, as it is illegal to include it with their basic wages.”

So given Angard payroll calculation method & the example I assume this would mean;
100 hours x £10.00 per hour = £1,000.00 Gross pay x 12.07% = £120.70 holiday pay
120.70 / 10.00 = 12.07 hours accrued.
Assume 25 hours per week (1160 p.a) at same rate = £250 x 12.07% = £30.175 / 10.00 = 3.0175 hours accrued
Annual calculation 46.4 x 30.175 = £1,400 holiday pay 46.4 x 3.0175 = 140 hours accrued
Enter 1160 hours on GOV.UK site - holiday entitlement for casuals - & you get 140 hours entitlement.

This calculation is based on 28 days statutory holiday but might be more under AWR in line with equal holiday rights as permanent staff. 
The hourly rate & hours would be variable depending if you worked different shifts but an average rate would be used in the calculation based on the preceding three months you worked before the holiday, according to the contract.

Has anyone information as to the reason the hourly rate you receive could vary from the example above.

Further to my post i have obtained the following example from payroll on how holiday rate is calculated;

Most important; SHIFT ALLOWANCE IS NOT INCLUDED IN GROSS when calculating holiday pay which is 12.07%
of gross pay.

A candidate who has been paid a gross amount of £200.00 will receive a holiday gross amount of £24.14.
24.14 divided by £6.00 = 4.023. £6.00 x 4.023 = £24.14.
24.14 divided by £7.00 = 3.448. £7.00 x 3.448 = £24.14.

I have calculated the hours you would need to work to earn £200.00;

33.33 hours x £6.00 = £200.00 = 4.023 accrued = £24.14
28.57 hours x £7.00 = £200.00 = 3.448 accrued = £24.14
£48.28 divided by 7.471 = £ 6.50 holiday rate

Total hours 61.9 x 12.07% = 7.471

I have obtained this response from payroll.
Be aware angard have advised that shift allowance is not included in 
gross when calculating holiday pay.


The calculation of 12.07% is, as you have correctly stated, based on the statutory minimum. As this calculation is built into our software for all workers across Angard we are unable to change this when you qualify for AWR. Because of this, your AWR rate is worked out slightly higher than permanent workers at Royal Mail, to pay you in lieu for the extra holiday pay that you are now owed.

This edited reply from Angard staffing support manager confirms
shift allowance point.

Holiday is accrued at a rate of 12.07% of Gross Pay and this is presented at an average of the booking rates for the shifts which you are deployed to; please note that the booking rate will likely differ from your actual rate of pay as the booking rate is the standard rate with no shift allowances applied. Regardless of the rate used, the total amount of holiday accrued will always be the same; i.e. you could accrue 15 hours at £7.50 an hour or 10 hours at £11.25 an hour. Holiday pay then does become more complex when looking over a period of weeks where pay is at differing rates, please see below a worked example.

EXAMPLE SENT BY ANGARD;


------------ Hours ---- pay ------ total ----- holiday hours ----- holiday pay ------ total holiday 
------------ Worked –-- rate ------- pay ------ accrued ------------- rate --------------accrued 

week 1 --- 8.75 ----- £9.64 ---- *£180.75 -------- 2.26 ------------£9.64 -------------£21.82
week 2 --- 10.25 ----- £10.18 ---- £104 35 ------- 1.24 ------------ £10.18 -----------£12.59
week 3 --- 19.50 ----- £9.82 ---- £191.49 ------- 2.35 ------------ £9.82 ------------£23.11
week 4 --- 25.00 ----- £8.99 ---- £224.75 -------- 3.02 ------------ £8.99 ------------£27.13
week 5 --- 37.50 ----- £9.57 ---- £358.88 --------- 4.53 ------------ £9.57 ------------£43.32
week 6 --- 15.50 ----- £8.73 ---- £135.32 ---------1.87 ------------ £8.73 ------------£16.33

Total ----------------------------------------------------15.27---------- ** £9.45 ------------£144.30-----


MY CALCULATION;
( * £180.75 x 12.07 % = 2.26 accrued hours --------------------------------------------------------------- 
------------------------------------------------- (**hourly average) £144.30 divided by 15.27 = £9.45

Holiday pay.

22 Feb 2019, 13:31

Put in an application for holiday pay for the first time yesterday, haven't received any acknowledgement of it though, should I have? Any idea when would it be paid (it's next Friday I've put in for)?

Holiday pay.

22 Feb 2019, 14:37

Unless you have made an error with your request you might not hear.

The money just appears in your payslip at the end of the week in which you have booked,

1 Min4 / max 8 hours per day
2 banned from working on a Holiday Pay day

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