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LTB 329/18 - CWU/RM Joint Statement - Shorter Working Week Introduction October 2018 in Delivery Units

07 Jun 2018, 16:26

LTB 329/18 - CWU/RM Joint Statement - Shorter Working Week Introduction October 2018 in Delivery Units

No. 329/2018

Thursday 7th June 2018

CWU/RM Joint Statement – Shorter Working Week Introduction October 2018 in Delivery Units

Dear Colleagues,

Branches and Representatives will be aware that contained within the 2018 Guiding Principles Agreement is reference to the reduction of the working week by one hour from October 2018, which for Delivery units was contained within both Sections 15.3 and 16.1.1. In order to ensure that the one hour reduction is introduced in Delivery Units we have now agreed a joint statement relating to this issue with Royal Mail which is attached.

In line with the above Royal Mail have used the data from IWT / PDA OA (Indoor Workload Tool / PDA Outdoor Actuals) nationally to provide centrally compiled data and to also ensure an element of joint control is in place ensuring that the one hour reduction is achieved in all units. As a result of the work relating to changes to start times for the enhanced LAT product the number of Delivery offices has been significantly mitigated, these Offices will also be able to use the introduction of the SWW to assist with the overall impact.

Where this is unable to be achieved, then both parties will agree the necessary actions required to ensure that the reduction in the working week is implemented.

As such, each Delivery Office has been placed into one of the three categories below using the centrally generated data showing how the one hour reduction should be achieved.

1. The Unit does not currently operate with Longs and Shorts within the duty structure, as such the plan is for those units to remove on Monday by 15 minutes, Tuesday 30 minutes and Saturday 15 minutes.

2. The Unit currently has the opportunity to reduce indoor workload; as such the plan will be for units to remove 12 minutes a day which will be from the IPS/Prep plans.

3. The Unit does not fall into the above categories and will have a removal of 6 minutes from the Indoor plan and 6 minutes from the Outdoor plan per day.

We have agreed it should not be necessary for full scale revisions to ensure the reduction of the hour; however it is recognised that adjustments can be made based on local knowledge and through local variations to the working days across the week taking into account the variations in attendance patterns.

In the first instance, the centrally derived categorisation will be shared with RM Delivery Leader’s & CWU Divisional Representative’s. This data will then be jointly shared with the RM Operations Manager and CWU Area Delivery Reps in order to oversee the activity within their respective areas.

We have agreed that the process will commence as soon as possible and with a target completion date of Friday 29th June. The work needs to be concluded by this date in order to provide 3 months notice of any attendance time changes to individuals, which is in line with the National agreement in regards to the LAT product impact.

We have also agreed within the joint statement that there will be signed agreements in place for all units on what has been agreed and that these will be forwarded to the respective Operations Manager and Area Rep.

Where either party is unable to agree, the matter will be progressed and resolved by means of the IR Framework as soon as possible, as we want to ensure that all Units have plans in place to introduce the one hour reduction from October 2018 in order to achieve compliance with the Agreement, but more importantly we progress onto the wider discussions with Royal Mail on the New Delivery Agreement in line with section 19.3 of the Guiding Principles National Agreement including further reductions to the working week.

Any queries to the content of the above, please contact the Outdoor Department, reference 230.03, email address: outdoorsecretary@cwu.org.

Yours sincerely,

Mark Baulch
CWU Assistant Secretary

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LTB 329/18 - CWU/RM Joint Statement - Shorter Working Week Introduction October 2018 in Delivery Units

07 Jun 2018, 17:36

number 1 option Monday 15 mins , Tuesday 30 mins , Saturday 15 mins , is that a later start time or an earlier finish time ? I love the way they always take it off the start time as they know the lunatics who start early for nothing will just continue to do it , for NOTHING :thumbup , keep up the good work :crazy:

LTB 329/18 - CWU/RM Joint Statement - Shorter Working Week Introduction October 2018 in Delivery Units

07 Jun 2018, 17:37

Starting 12 minutes later shock horror.
90% workforce will start their usual time take their lapsing and not have breaks

LTB 329/18 - CWU/RM Joint Statement - Shorter Working Week Introduction October 2018 in Delivery Units

07 Jun 2018, 17:37

6 min outdoor a day f**k off what a con

LTB 329/18 - CWU/RM Joint Statement - Shorter Working Week Introduction October 2018 in Delivery Units

07 Jun 2018, 19:12

If your average working week is now 39 hours, then how does taking 15 minutes off on Monday/Saturday and 30 minutes on a Tuesday work if your rotating day off falls on these days? Surely your average working week is going to be greater than 38 hours. Even worse if you're reserve, every Tuesday off so your working week is going to be 38.5 hours.

So much for a 38 hour working week without an argument with the management

LTB 329/18 - CWU/RM Joint Statement - Shorter Working Week Introduction October 2018 in Delivery Units

07 Jun 2018, 19:45

Realistically is there a hope in hell of it being achievable anywhere (either MC or DO) when probably many MCs and DOs are probably failing as it is on a regular basis?

LTB 329/18 - CWU/RM Joint Statement - Shorter Working Week Introduction October 2018 in Delivery Units

07 Jun 2018, 20:15

As expected thanks for voting YES. Goodluck

LTB 329/18 - CWU/RM Joint Statement - Shorter Working Week Introduction October 2018 in Delivery Units

07 Jun 2018, 21:37

Wasnt it supposed to be a visible hour, not bits here and there ?, we knew this was comming, rm and cwu screwing us YET again, well done for voting yes.

LTB 329/18 - CWU/RM Joint Statement - Shorter Working Week Introduction October 2018 in Delivery Units

07 Jun 2018, 21:45

worktotime wrote:number 1 option Monday 15 mins , Tuesday 30 mins , Saturday 15 mins , is that a later start time or an earlier finish time ? I love the way they always take it off the start time as they know the lunatics who start early for nothing will just continue to do it , for NOTHING :thumbup , keep up the good work :crazy:

Later start time I would think as RM policy is to move the delivery window as late in the day as they possibly can. So most offices will get the blanket 12 minutes per day later start time as predicted.

LTB 329/18 - CWU/RM Joint Statement - Shorter Working Week Introduction October 2018 in Delivery Units

07 Jun 2018, 21:54

borgpicard wrote:Wasnt it supposed to be a visible hour, not bits here and there ?, we knew this was comming, rm and cwu screwing us YET again, well done for voting yes.

This is how the first hour of SWW was implemented so it is not unexpected. So once the remaining four hours of SWW have been implemented you will be starting work 48 minutes later than we currently do in DOs. On top of this you have any changes to start times from potential problems from the LAT. There are currently other changes occurring to delivery start times which could eventually mean first letter delivery time at about 11am. :d'oh!

LTB 329/18 - CWU/RM Joint Statement - Shorter Working Week Introduction October 2018 in Delivery Units

07 Jun 2018, 22:10

Celgar wrote:
borgpicard wrote:Wasnt it supposed to be a visible hour, not bits here and there ?, we knew this was comming, rm and cwu screwing us YET again, well done for voting yes.

This is how the first hour of SWW was implemented so it is not unexpected. So once the remaining four hours of SWW have been implemented you will be starting work 48 minutes later than we currently do in DOs. On top of this you have any changes to start times from potential problems from the LAT. There are currently other changes occurring to delivery start times which could eventually mean first letter delivery time at about 11am. :d'oh!


Several deliveries in my office, mainly HCTs, already regularly have first letter in times of 11.00am+. SD delivery on these rounds is often a source of conflict with management as a few are "linear" deliveries with little scope for cutting between side streets to reach the furthest points on the delivery.

LTB 329/18 - CWU/RM Joint Statement - Shorter Working Week Introduction October 2018 in Delivery Units

08 Jun 2018, 06:46

In DOs that are MPUs, will it have any affect on their staff who operate their CSS machines? Will it mean that they start the sequencing later (with the knock-on affect of the sequenced mail going out to DOs an hour later? I can see some duties/functions in both MCs and DOs ending up with an hours compulsory SA every day.

LTB 329/18 - CWU/RM Joint Statement - Shorter Working Week Introduction October 2018 in Delivery Units

08 Jun 2018, 07:40

It is important to recognise that from
October when the LAT product is properly launched that there would have been a Network Revision , An Agreement on Collections , a review in each Mail Centre and in Delivery Offices.

Whilst the LAT product is introduced from June 25th it will have minimal items as they want to ensure that it can be done.

In terms of Delivery Offices and the hour reduction. Every office has had its IWT reviewed and run the PDA actuals to see which of the 3 buckets that office is in. Now most duty patterns where start of finish times vary across the days of the week balance over 6 or twelve weeks due to days off etc.

Additionally sometimes drivers have different attendances.

This piece of work has to be completed by the end of June.

Now it is true that due to the increased performance of MPUs that when launched was to achieve 9000 per hour but most now achieve 11000 and the fact that letters have declined that some offices now get out earlier than what their advertised times are. Management will want to review when the LAT product Ramps up in October whether your office going on delivery times are compatible with the New LAT product.

There are 114 offices who have already been identified as having to have a later start time to ensure that they can Deliver the LAT product with the normal deliveries.

The hour will happen and right across the business.

LTB 329/18 - CWU/RM Joint Statement - Shorter Working Week Introduction October 2018 in Delivery Units

08 Jun 2018, 08:05

dingo wrote:It is important to recognise that from
October when the LAT product is properly launched that there would have been a Network Revision , An Agreement on Collections , a review in each Mail Centre and in Delivery Offices.

Whilst the LAT product is introduced from June 25th it will have minimal items as they want to ensure that it can be done.

In terms of Delivery Offices and the hour reduction. Every office has had its IWT reviewed and run the PDA actuals to see which of the 3 buckets that office is in. Now most duty patterns where start of finish times vary across the days of the week balance over 6 or twelve weeks due to days off etc.

Additionally sometimes drivers have different attendances.

This piece of work has to be completed by the end of June.

Now it is true that due to the increased performance of MPUs that when launched was to achieve 9000 per hour but most now achieve 11000 and the fact that letters have declined that some offices now get out earlier than what their advertised times are. Management will want to review when the LAT product Ramps up in October whether your office going on delivery times are compatible with the New LAT product.

There are 114 offices who have already been identified as having to have a later start time to ensure that they can Deliver the LAT product with the normal deliveries.

The hour will happen and right across the business.

Sequencing isn't getting quieter, if anything it's getting busier as more delivery points get added, a few times CSS or iLSM/IMP sequencing plans have hit the limit for the maximum number of delivery points and have had to be split. On a normal or quieter night, if that hour is taken off one of three things will happen:

* All the sequencing will head out to DOs an hour later.
* More mail will go over to wave 2 and so wave 2 will end up going out later
* The mail that has had to go over to wave 2, some of it will goto manual as there won't be the time to sequence it

Chances are that once the hour comes off each day in MCs, on a normal or busy day the mail WILL go out later as it goes to the wire on a normal or busy day as it is so ALL DOs will like it or not end up having to start an hour later anyway

LTB 329/18 - CWU/RM Joint Statement - Shorter Working Week Introduction October 2018 in Delivery Units

08 Jun 2018, 08:50

Space I have seen the outputs for most of the MPUs in the Uk from auto miss. Your wrong.

The reality is when CSS machines were launched in 2009/2010 they were planned on 7000-9000 items per hour. Most are now are achieving 11 000 per hour.

They were planned on achieving a 60 % on the first wave and 40% on second wave. Viritually all but a couple of MPUs produce more traffic on wave 1 than 60% some as high as 90%.

Work will not arrive an hour later into Delivery Offices. It will depend whether a Mail Centre has a sprinter provided for the arrival on LAT or a normal 17 toner and it will depend on that arrival. The assumption is what everyone time the last arrival lands in a Mail Centre then that Mail Centre needs 90 minutes to process and than to transport that to the relevant delivery office.

Royal Mail believe that each hour costs them 100 million and Royal Mail want that hour absorbed wherever possible hence why they have looked at PDA actuals for every office in the UK and put them in one of the 3 buckets. They also reviewed every Mail Centre shift effirency and traffic profile as well as agency use.

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