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SA repick process?

12 May 2017, 21:32

I'm under the inpression that local agreements should be advertised and members voting on things like allocation of overtime process.
Also, that people shouldn't be bypassed when signing for SA when they are annual leave, sick leave etc... basically it should stopped until the person is asked if they want a SA not presumption by local reps who are going round doing the managers work.
Anyone with any knowledge of this?


SA repick process?

14 May 2017, 12:01

lfcgod1 wrote:I'm under the inpression that local agreements should be advertised and members voting on things like allocation of overtime process.
Also, that people shouldn't be bypassed when signing for SA when they are annual leave, sick leave etc... basically it should stopped until the person is asked if they want a SA not presumption by local reps who are going round doing the managers work.
Anyone with any knowledge of this?

Any local agreements made overriding national agreements should be made known to the employees in their office by being displayed on the CWU notice board so that they are made fully aware of the procedural changes from national agreements which have allowed local agreements to be accepted.
In relation to advertising duty and SA vacancies there should be a sufficient close off application date to allow for staff on annual leave and sick absence and staff on long term sick should be contacted giving warning that their signed SA is due to expire.
It seems that offices use a different system of allocating SA duties instead of having their SA hours signed for by an individual they leave the SA that are available for the following week open which allows the allocation of SA to be more widespread and not confined to SA duty holders.

SA repick process?

14 May 2017, 14:40

rehabron wrote:Any local agreements made overriding national agreements ...

How can a local agreement override a national agreement?

SA repick process?

15 May 2017, 11:02

clashcityrocker wrote:
rehabron wrote:Any local agreements made overriding national agreements ...

How can a local agreement override a national agreement?

RM sites from John O* Groats to Lands End have different ways of operational working that is suitable to their ways of working and have opted for a local agreement which is tailored to their needs as opposed to a national agreement. My own office has a local agreement in force and I would think that we are not isolated in this. The staff have made their concerns known and a meeting convened and put to a vote for a particular issue to be implemented which may differ from the content of the Way Forward Agreement and if a majority vote is returned in favour of the change then it applies.
On reading the threads on the various forums of this site it clearly shows that offices have their own way of dealing with their particular operation that is pertinent to them whether it be annual leave allocation and how this is administered, control of vacant duties not being advertised if remaining vacant for a 6 month period as per the Way Forward Agreement, SA allocation and renewal,
seniority ETC.

SA repick process?

15 May 2017, 13:26

I think what you mean is some offices don't like the national agreement and make up some bollocks to suit themselves.

A local agreement cannot be contrary to a national agreement. otherwise there would be no point in having them.
Local reps do not have the authority to make up their own agreements, just as local DOMs aren't allowed to make up their own agreements.

SA repick process?

15 May 2017, 13:45

clashcityrocker wrote:I think what you mean is some offices don't like the national agreement and make up some bollocks to suit themselves.

A local agreement cannot be contrary to a national agreement. otherwise there would be no point in having them.
Local reps do not have the authority to make up their own agreements, just as local DOMs aren't allowed to make up their own agreements.

Can you honestly hold your hand up and confirm that local and/or area cwu representatives ensure that national agreements are enforced verbatim at each and every RM office in the UK then why are we reading the posts on this site that clearly shows that this is not the case.

SA repick process?

15 May 2017, 14:03

Because some people let power go their head and think they can make up their own bollocks. Sometimes they are just plain ignorant.
Sometimes the wording of the agreements is wishy washy and can be interpreted in different ways. Sometimes people muddy the waters deliberately.

But if these people can make better agreements than the top negotiators of the union, why don't we do away with the top brass and save ourselves a lot of money?

The local rep is a CWU rep - s/he is there to ensure the CWU agreements are adhered to. Sometimes that means being unpopular.
Otherwise you have something akin to the Wild West - just make it up as you go along.
And those offices who make up their own rules shouldn't cry too loudly when their managers start doing the same.
Either we have agreements or we don't. It isn't like the pick 'n' mix at Woolworths.

SA repick process?

15 May 2017, 14:51

clashcityrocker wrote:Because some people let power go their head and think they can make up their own bollocks. Sometimes they are just plain ignorant.
Sometimes the wording of the agreements is wishy washy and can be interpreted in different ways. Sometimes people muddy the waters deliberately.

But if these people can make better agreements than the top negotiators of the union, why don't we do away with the top brass and save ourselves a lot of money?

The local rep is a CWU rep - s/he is there to ensure the CWU agreements are adhered to. Sometimes that means being unpopular.
Otherwise you have something akin to the Wild West - just make it up as you go along.
And those offices who make up their own rules shouldn't cry too loudly when their managers start doing the same.
Either we have agreements or we don't. It isn't like the pick 'n' mix at Woolworths.

I am in full agreement with you on having national agreements that are negotiated by well established negotiators who have the best interests of the workforce at heart that lays the foundation for their working life financially and takes into consideration their family commitments and long may agreements at national level continue or this business would run all over us. But never the less there are local agreements made as the original poster made on this forum maybe they coincide with the national agreement only each office would know the exact details of their local agreement.
Going to the Way Forward agreement which could be classed as the bible of agreements then this should be applied at each and every office within RM so where does the fault lie that this agreement put together by the negotiators at the highest level and agreed by management at high level not being complied with?

SA repick process?

15 May 2017, 19:06

rehabron wrote:so where does the fault lie that this agreement put together by the negotiators at the highest level and agreed by management at high level not being complied with?

To quote from the 8 page letter.
A further challenge we both face in professionalising the industrial relations is in bringing our myriad of agreements down into a much simplified document for each of the functions, 0ver 254 agreements means we have little chance of anyone truly understanding which agreements are appropriate and therefore opening up many opportunities for needless disagreements and misunderstandings.

Add to that the poor training of some reps and most managers and you have a recipe for disaster.

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