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ignorant public

17 Apr 2020, 18:49

postslippete wrote:
Seymour Buts wrote:There's too many variables to simply claim we've failed, or been succesful or whatever. There's been no lockdown in Sweden, yet they have less deaths per million than us. Northern Ireland are coping remarkably well seemingly, despite more or less following the same route as we are. Belgium appear to be having some dreadful numbers coming in currently despite being in full lockdown. New Zealand have barely had any deaths. I suspect it boils down to population density and how many people you have moving in and out of the country as much as anything but they'd be 100's of individual factors. Thankfully, it appears we've peaked at least.

Back to the original point, it's annoying how many people are opening the door in my face :arrrghhh Just stay f**king back please!



It's impossible to speculate until the current pandemic is over and even then experts are suggesting that there might be further waves. Its my belief that Korea have low deaths because they knew exactly how to react,and they were very prepared because of the Sars outbreak just a few years beforehand. I suspect China might have had more than the 3,000 deaths claimed,but again,a lockdown in China seems to be a bit different than what it is in Britain. Germany is a bigger country than the UK in terms of population and geographical area,which may be important but Germany has done what WHO suggested and test,test and test!! Germany were testing 100,000 people 2 weeks ago; the UK hope to reach that by the end of this month. I've heard all the excuses from the government to not having the diagnostics or not having the chemicals - even though there was a UK company shipping testing kits abroad!! And the US are just as bad as us when it comes to pandemics. They have seen what happened in China,Italy,Europe and then the UK and then reacted.

We have now discovered there are infections in care homes were surprisingly there are a lot of elderly people in there - even though the experts have been telling everyone it's the older people that are more likely to die from co-vid19. That health minister bloke has been that preoccupied with his stupid 5 pillars (remind you of anyone?) and getting millions of PPE delivered to the NHS,he's totally forgotten about care workers that might be passing the virus on because they ain't been tested and surprise,suprise probably didn't have any PPE. It would appear that the generals in charge were that concerned about the NHS front line taking a battering that they have totally forgotten about the cavalry at the flanks. We could have prepared for this battle much better for sure,but enough doom and gloom for now. It's happened but we will win this battle. And watching Tom Moore,99,former army captain doing laps in his garden to raise money for charity brought tears to my eyes and made me proud to be British. He surely puts a lot of today's younger generation to absolute shame.


That's a really good post Pete, testing is clearly the major failure and it's pretty obvious that the procurement of tests was not done diligently enough in advance. The government seems to have been disingenuous in playing down the importance of testing early on and I would hazard a guess that is because of this mismanaged procurement strategy.

ignorant public

17 Apr 2020, 19:05

norris9 wrote:
PostmanBitesDog wrote:
Seymour Buts wrote:Thankfully, it appears we've peaked at least.

Not so fast. :no no

A few days ago it appeared the UK did level off. But today was a terrible figure; 861 deaths. So it looks like it'll be a while before the curve is flattened. So we aren't seeing a positive trend yet, and one or two days won't be enough to measure a trend. Sadly, while there'll be a few drops in the daily numbers over the long term, the exponential death rate will continue to rise.

I think we hit the peak. We are now at the point where Italy and Spain started dipping off. Maybe tomorrow or Saturday might top our worst day, but after that we should be dropping off.
Yes, we could have another wave after we come out of the lockdown which may peak higher than this first wave we are in currently.

We hit a peak on April 10th with 980 deaths that day, then it dipped for a few days. Unfortunately we're heading back up again; today's total number of deaths in the UK is 847. There still needs to be a trend before we can be assured we've leveled off. For the past few days since April 10th there's been too many highs and lows. :sad:

ignorant public

17 Apr 2020, 20:11

At least we're following a more sensible model like many other countries, albeit a bit late and still somewhat sloppy (there're still a few too many naïve people wandering the streets and parks here). Over in the United States, the Commander-in-Cheetos (Presi-dolt Donald Troll) has been tweeting that states practicing the lockdown procedure should "liberate themselves" by ending the lockdown. The U.S. recorded 2,290 deaths over the past twenty-four hours, bringing the total to 35,955. Too early to lift the lockdown anywhere in the U.S.

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The U.S. and the United Kingdom might want to consider the Irish model. Rachel Maddow raised the issue last night...

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ignorant public

17 Apr 2020, 20:37

PostmanBitesDog wrote:
Seymour Buts wrote:Thankfully, it appears we've peaked at least.

Not so fast. :no no

A few days ago it appeared the UK did level off. But today was a terrible figure; 861 deaths. So it looks like it'll be a while before the curve is flattened. We aren't seeing a positive trend yet, and one or two days won't be enough to measure a trend. Sadly, while there'll be a few drops in the daily numbers over the long term, the exponential death rate will continue to rise. :sad:

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I hate to be so flippent as every number is a life, but the numbers are fairly flat even if it dips up and down each day; 7-800 per day. Bare in mind there were fears that in the weeks leading to the peak deaths could double every two or three days. Numbers should start dropping in the coming days, we hope.

ignorant public

17 Apr 2020, 20:40

PostmanBitesDog wrote:At least we're following a more sensible model like many other countries, albeit a bit late and still somewhat sloppy (there're still a few too many naïve people wandering the streets and parks here). Over in the United States, the Commander-in-Cheetos (Presi-dolt Donald Troll) has been tweeting that states practicing the lockdown procedure should "liberate themselves" by ending the lockdown. The U.S. recorded 2,290 deaths over the past twenty-four hours, bringing the total to 35,955. Too early to lift the lockdown anywhere in the U.S.

Parachute.jpg

The U.S. and the United Kingdom might want to consider the Irish model. Rachel Maddow raised the issue last night...



Northern Ireland has similar figures to the Republic, despite basically following the rest of the UK. This is back to the variables; there's something unique in Ireland rather than anything the governments there have done.

ignorant public

17 Apr 2020, 20:46

Seymour Buts wrote:there's something unique in Ireland rather than anything the governments there have done.

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ignorant public

17 Apr 2020, 21:28

Seymour Buts wrote:
PostmanBitesDog wrote:
Seymour Buts wrote:Thankfully, it appears we've peaked at least.

Not so fast. :no no

A few days ago it appeared the UK did level off. But today was a terrible figure; 861 deaths. So it looks like it'll be a while before the curve is flattened. We aren't seeing a positive trend yet, and one or two days won't be enough to measure a trend. Sadly, while there'll be a few drops in the daily numbers over the long term, the exponential death rate will continue to rise. :sad:

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I hate to be so flippent as every number is a life, but the numbers are fairly flat even if it dips up and down each day; 7-800 per day. Bare in mind there were fears that in the weeks leading to the peak deaths could double every two or three days. Numbers should start dropping in the coming days, we hope.

I think Spain's number of deaths figure has started going up again each day

ignorant public

17 Apr 2020, 22:31

PostmanBitesDog wrote:
norris9 wrote:
PostmanBitesDog wrote:
Seymour Buts wrote:Thankfully, it appears we've peaked at least.

Not so fast. :no no

A few days ago it appeared the UK did level off. But today was a terrible figure; 861 deaths. So it looks like it'll be a while before the curve is flattened. So we aren't seeing a positive trend yet, and one or two days won't be enough to measure a trend. Sadly, while there'll be a few drops in the daily numbers over the long term, the exponential death rate will continue to rise.

I think we hit the peak. We are now at the point where Italy and Spain started dipping off. Maybe tomorrow or Saturday might top our worst day, but after that we should be dropping off.
Yes, we could have another wave after we come out of the lockdown which may peak higher than this first wave we are in currently.

We hit a peak on April 10th with 980 deaths that day, then it dipped for a few days. Unfortunately we're heading back up again; today's total number of deaths in the UK is 847. There still needs to be a trend before we can be assured we've leveled off. For the past few days since April 10th there's been too many highs and lows. :sad:


Hard to know if we've hit a peak or not and figures have risen last couple of days but like they said weekends usually dip as they don't inform of the death till family's been notified which can be harder over the weekends so theres a chance a few hundred of those reported deaths at the back end of this week were more likely over the course of the bank holiday weekend nearer what they though may be the peak. Think the figures towards the end of next week/the following week will be the more revealing ones but lets hope they are lower

ignorant public

18 Apr 2020, 09:37

Seymour Buts wrote:
PostmanBitesDog wrote:At least we're following a more sensible model like many other countries, albeit a bit late and still somewhat sloppy (there're still a few too many naïve people wandering the streets and parks here). Over in the United States, the Commander-in-Cheetos (Presi-dolt Donald Troll) has been tweeting that states practicing the lockdown procedure should "liberate themselves" by ending the lockdown. The U.S. recorded 2,290 deaths over the past twenty-four hours, bringing the total to 35,955. Too early to lift the lockdown anywhere in the U.S.

Parachute.jpg

The U.S. and the United Kingdom might want to consider the Irish model. Rachel Maddow raised the issue last night...



Northern Ireland has similar figures to the Republic, despite basically following the rest of the UK. This is back to the variables; there's something unique in Ireland rather than anything the governments there have done.


I didn't realise prior to this crisis that Leo Varadker has a medical background, that probably influenced the Irish response or preparations. But yeah comparisons (even per capita) are difficult to extrapolate from the current statistics. The calls for an earlier lockdown are also problematic, if an earlier lockdown had been called and the mortality rate significantly reduced as a consequence, the right wing nutters would have argued the measures were an over reaction to a virus that has had minimal effect and to the detriment of the economy.

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