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Penalty query

09 Jun 2019, 15:34

2 year serious offence PLUS 2 years removal from driving duties for not wearing seatbelt.
Expected a penalty , as I was guilty of offence but removal from driving duties is harsh imo.
Plus I believe there is nowhere in conduct code that permits additional " removal " from drive duties !
Thoughts gents

Penalty query

09 Jun 2019, 15:46

Iirc you were expecting to be sacked, being removed from driving some would argue as a bonus anyway. I think rm would say your disregard for following their rules and uk law in not wearing a seatbelt means you need to win back their trust by keeping your nose clean over the next 2 years before they trust you with driving their vehicles.
All in all i think you came out of this "ok", thats not to say you dont have some grounds to argue your case but at this point id say youre winning

Penalty query

09 Jun 2019, 15:47

Did somebody see you not wearing it?

Penalty query

09 Jun 2019, 15:49

Not wearing a seatbelt can be considered gross misconduct possibly leading to dismissal so that's your starting point. Anything less than that goes in the "win" column.

You're right that removal from driving should not be punitive and should be separated from the conduct case, any removal should be regularly assessed, loss of earnings should be considered and a 2 year ban is unusual in my experience.

Penalty query

09 Jun 2019, 15:50

number one wrote:Did somebody see you not wearing it?

https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... =1&t=90651

Penalty query

09 Jun 2019, 16:15

get a nice hct job and you wont miss driving.

Penalty query

09 Jun 2019, 17:33

Whilst I feel for the OP he was going to lose his job as he said himself guess it is for your own safety they took you off driving duties but in hind sight it could be considered a long time for a first offence and a harsh decision. Yet we let liar off the hook by deceiving a nation with nothing but a tut and a wink for saying we pay £350 million a week to the EU I guess telling lies to a nation is OK while not wearing some equipment that has dubious reputation in saving lives gets a harsher penalty for his own personal safety than someone who is paid by the state to represent us in high office something stinks to high hell double standards!

Penalty query

09 Jun 2019, 17:46

Royal mail - no seat belt - only going to hurt yourself - 2 year ban. Real world - drink driving - could kill people + yourself - 12 month ban. I know drink driving could carry a larger ban in serious cases, but why do royal mail deem themselves capable of giving stiffer punishments than the English justice system. I hope every driver in your office is wearing their seat belt at all times now.

Penalty query

09 Jun 2019, 18:05

Ciderboy1957 wrote:2 year serious offence PLUS 2 years removal from driving duties for not wearing seatbelt.
Expected a penalty , as I was guilty of offence but removal from driving duties is harsh imo.
Plus I believe there is nowhere in conduct code that permits additional " removal " from drive duties !
Thoughts gents


Until they're desperate for a driver.........

Penalty query

09 Jun 2019, 18:47

DICKIEG wrote:Royal mail - no seat belt - only going to hurt yourself - 2 year ban. Real world - drink driving - could kill people + yourself - 12 month ban. I know drink driving could carry a larger ban in serious cases, but why do royal mail deem themselves capable of giving stiffer punishments than the English justice system.


The law bans you from driving.
Royal Mail moves you to a non driving position.
In what world is that a "stiffer sentence"?

Not wearing a seatbelt is a clear sign that a member of staff does not understand their responsibilities as a Royal Mail driver, it is also a example of poor decision making while undertaking driving duties which could indicate a dangerous disregard of safety and security in a Royal Mail vehicle.

There is no petulant argument that holds water, it's not a very clever move whether you agree with the wearing of seatbelts or not because a) It's their van and therefore their rules and b) everybody is aware of the rules.

I would still argue that the decision should be reviewed at regular intervals and 2 years is unnecessarily long but you can't argue with the fact that it's a dumb move.

Penalty query

09 Jun 2019, 18:58

DICKIEG wrote:Royal mail - no seat belt - only going to hurt yourself - 2 year ban. Real world - drink driving - could kill people + yourself - 12 month ban. I know drink driving could carry a larger ban in serious cases, but why do royal mail deem themselves capable of giving stiffer punishments than the English justice system. I hope every driver in your office is wearing their seat belt at all times now.

Mean while in real life anyone caught drink driving should be banned for LIFE

Penalty query

09 Jun 2019, 19:03

DICKIEG wrote:Royal mail - no seat belt - only going to hurt yourself - 2 year ban. Real world - drink driving - could kill people + yourself - 12 month ban. I know drink driving could carry a larger ban in serious cases, but why do royal mail deem themselves capable of giving stiffer punishments than the English justice system. I hope every driver in your office is wearing their seat belt at all times now.

English justice system have they got one ffs

Penalty query

09 Jun 2019, 19:11

yellowbelly wrote:
Ciderboy1957 wrote:2 year serious offence PLUS 2 years removal from driving duties for not wearing seatbelt.
Expected a penalty , as I was guilty of offence but removal from driving duties is harsh imo.
Plus I believe there is nowhere in conduct code that permits additional " removal " from drive duties !
Thoughts gents


Until they're desperate for a driver.........

Thats what happened in my office suspended a colleague from driving for a year or so but when they were short just let him drive.

Penalty query

09 Jun 2019, 22:14

Been reading your post from day one; thank goodness u kept your job! although 2 years suspended from driving on the face of it is a bit harsh ;from now on keep your head down & keep under the rader.Best of luck

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09 Jun 2019, 23:51

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Penalty query

10 Jun 2019, 05:23

You didn't lose your job = Win

They took you off driving responsibilities = Win

Obviously if you wanted the opportunity to pick up OT then it kinda sucks and two years does seem fairly harsh but im happy RM are taking our health and safety seriously now. Il be waiting for them to dish out some punishments for people carrying overweight bags and not using the LWT's! Funny how we're reminded to wear our belts, wear correct footwear, wear our high viz etc but never to use the lWT.

Penalty query

10 Jun 2019, 06:08

yellowbelly wrote:
Ciderboy1957 wrote:2 year serious offence PLUS 2 years removal from driving duties for not wearing seatbelt.
Expected a penalty , as I was guilty of offence but removal from driving duties is harsh imo.
Plus I believe there is nowhere in conduct code that permits additional " removal " from drive duties !
Thoughts gents


Until they're desperate for a driver.........


True.

What would happen however if you refused to drive? Or at least insisted on having it in writing that your removal from driving duties has now been officially rescinded?

Penalty query

10 Jun 2019, 16:29

k979aaa wrote:Whilst I feel for the OP he was going to lose his job as he said himself guess it is for your own safety they took you off driving duties but in hind sight it could be considered a long time for a first offence and a harsh decision. Yet we let liar off the hook by deceiving a nation with nothing but a tut and a wink for saying we pay £350 million a week to the EU I guess telling lies to a nation is OK while not wearing some equipment that has dubious reputation in saving lives gets a harsher penalty for his own personal safety than someone who is paid by the state to represent us in high office something stinks to high hell double standards!

If posties have three blameworthy RTCs within a certain time period of each other they are taken off driving for two years. This is a standard repremand now within RM. I realise it isn't the same as not wearing your seatbelt but wearing a seatbelt is required by UK law as well.
Regarding the claim by Boris that we could spend an additional 350 million pounds per week on the NHS if we left the EU this is not actually a lie but just something that they could in theory do but they would more likely spend a percentage of that figure per week. We currently pay nearly 18.5 billion pounds into the EU which divided by 52 weeks is about 350 million pounds. Some of the 18.5 billion is rebated back to us and some is spent by the EU as they see fit on the UK. This is where the 350 million figure comes from .

Penalty query

10 Jun 2019, 17:14

Taken off the driving?! That it?!

Feck - there might just be a spate of guys in my office TRYING to get caught without a seatbelt now* :hmmmm :chuckle

Thats a result not a punishment!


* joking of course - I dont condone driving without a seatbelt

Penalty query

10 Jun 2019, 17:30

k979aaa wrote:Whilst I feel for the OP he was going to lose his job as he said himself guess it is for your own safety they took you off driving duties but in hind sight it could be considered a long time for a first offence and a harsh decision. Yet we let liar off the hook by deceiving a nation with nothing but a tut and a wink for saying we pay £350 million a week to the EU I guess telling lies to a nation is OK while not wearing some equipment that has dubious reputation in saving lives gets a harsher penalty for his own personal safety than someone who is paid by the state to represent us in high office something stinks to high hell double standards!

What has that got to do with not wearing a seatbelt?

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