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Would the union accept this.

09 Jun 2019, 10:03

We know the uso is up for discussion soon so would we except mon to fri 5 day week , hours reduced to 35 instantly with no compulsory redundancies.Some might say this is a pipe dream but would we except royal mails changes if this was on the table.

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09 Jun 2019, 10:09

There is no way the company would go backwards. Customers want us working 7 days a week not 5.

Would the union except this.

09 Jun 2019, 10:13

Monday to Friday mail
No one cares about mail on Saturdays they only want packets or specials

Monday to Sunday bigger packets and special deliverys

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09 Jun 2019, 10:13

Agreed but we don’t need to be delivering letters and d2ds 7 days a week . So surely a skeleton service Saturday and Sunday to deliver tracked and specials would be ok.This would also mean less job losses.

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09 Jun 2019, 10:18

The money the company would save monday to friday would be massive,
1 day less fuel for every van around uk.
Wear and tear uniforms,
Electric heating every office,
Annual leave easier to manage cause we all Mostly need Saturdays for partys weddings and flying out on holiday.

Would the union except this.

09 Jun 2019, 10:51

I think it's doable without any compulsory redundancies, natural wastage and (hopefully) a few VR's could easily account for the job losses.

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09 Jun 2019, 10:51

Wouldn't it be a good idea to come up with a system where post/parcels are in similar quantities each day?

Why are Mondays, Tuesdays and Saturdays generally much lighter than Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays. Is this something to do with the way Royal Mail work, possibly and most probably something to do with RM not working Sundays?

Can't RM do something to even it out of RM's control and something to do with trends in the days people shop / the 5 day working week for most businesses.

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09 Jun 2019, 11:03

Would save the hassle of getting saturdays off the amount of times I've needed a Saturday off and can never get one a lot of people just go sick and the 1 day they needed off turns into a week sick

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09 Jun 2019, 11:15

Mick100 wrote:Would save the hassle of getting saturdays off the amount of times I've needed a Saturday off and can never get one a lot of people just go sick and the 1 day they needed off turns into a week sick

Totally agree , you can bet that a lot of sickness would be Saturday related as most know that trying to book the day off is virtually impossible.

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09 Jun 2019, 11:48

Far from a Monday to Friday week, a seven day week is inevitable, at least for tracks

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09 Jun 2019, 11:59

barcajr wrote:Far from a Monday to Friday week, a seven day week is inevitable, at least for tracks

Yes a 7 day week is inevitable for tracked and specials but not for letters and d2ds , so if Royal Mail put mon to fri , 35 hour week and no redundancy on the table then that woul cause the union a problem in my opinion as they are opposed to a 5 day week but the members would be in favour of it.

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09 Jun 2019, 12:41

I doubt they would accept it , or except,it whatever that means. They are in the business of preserving jobs, not getting rid of them , especially when our competitors are out there 7 days a week, it would be commercial suicide.

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09 Jun 2019, 12:59

On balance the new parcels strategy & switching to a five day operation will be bad for us.
It was confirmed on the initial release of the five year plan to the financial media that the Tracked items will go direct to the LAT hubs for delivery with the new parcels strategy. It has just been confirmed again on page four of the Courier: " Three new fully-automated parcel hubs will be built to handle ALL next day, larger and Tracked parcels. A separate van delivery for these items will be routed through potentially 200-300 of our large delivery offices."
The switch to a five day operation will be bad for us because:
1) Jobs will need to be shed because the cover staff for the five day week will no longer be required. 9000 posties left RM mostly voluntarily last year alone so it's possible but not definite that redundancies will not be needed.
2) We receive the RRIS payment because it is more difficult to attract & retain staff due to us having to work on Saturdays. Switching to a Monday to Friday operation will negate the need to pay this anymore which is a £1800 per annum pay cut.
3) Weeks with a bank holiday in them are always busier as RM still want to deliver six days worth of mail but in five days. Moving to a five day main operation will make every week a bank holiday week.
4) Given how busy we will be it won't be physically possible to implement any more SWW - indeed we may need the 24 minutes per day we have already lost back. If we get twenty percent more delivery points via the new parcel strategy as well we be running around like mice with brooms up our *****!!
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Would the union except this.

09 Jun 2019, 13:01

rubberbond wrote:I doubt they would accept it , or except,it whatever that means. They are in the business of preserving jobs, not getting rid of them , especially when our competitors are out there 7 days a week, it would be commercial suicide.



We'd still be free to deliver the commercially viable and profitable items 7 days a week (pkts, specials etc)

It's the loss making stuff (letters) that could be restricted to 5 days.

Would the union except this.

09 Jun 2019, 13:03

rubberbond wrote:I doubt they would accept it , or except,it whatever that means. They are in the business of preserving jobs, not getting rid of them , especially when our competitors are out there 7 days a week, it would be commercial suicide.

Just like they were against losing the 2nd delivery and privatisation right . Things change maybe time to listen to their members .

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09 Jun 2019, 13:09

wacko74 wrote:
rubberbond wrote:I doubt they would accept it , or except,it whatever that means. They are in the business of preserving jobs, not getting rid of them , especially when our competitors are out there 7 days a week, it would be commercial suicide.



We'd still be free to deliver the commercially viable and profitable items 7 days a week (pkts, specials etc)

It's the loss making stuff (letters) that could be restricted to 5 days.

Spot on , why do people struggle with this concept and just scream commercial suicide.

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09 Jun 2019, 15:01

Only if there is sufficient work to warrant a seven day service otherwise it would be pointless.

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09 Jun 2019, 15:45

deltaforce wrote:Only if there is sufficient work to warrant a seven day service otherwise it would be pointless.

But if we did work 7 days per week, for parcels not mail, we should generate more parcel business.

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09 Jun 2019, 16:45

Can anyone see this extra parcel thingworking? In my little office alone we have 500/600 oversized parcels on average as well as the tracked and we cover a 50/60 mile radius easily between us.
Whoever is delivering all these parcels is going to have go some to get it done within 4 1/2 hrs.

in my former office they would average 3000 oversized per day plus tracked.There only working over a 20 mile radius tho.

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09 Jun 2019, 17:03

I can see a 5 day week but you will not get Saturday off it will be Tuesday and it is because the way the pipeline/system works it will never be a Saturday off never happen in my life time but who is going to tell the 1 in 6 they are no longer required anymore!

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