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D2D's - whose responsibility is it to throw them off?

15 May 2019, 16:00

I'm a part time reserve, been with RM coming up on three months now. I'm on different duties day to day and week to week. This week I've been on a new one (to me). The issue is - the D2D's on my frame this week haven't even been been thrown off yet. Nor have most of the political leaflets. There are ALL the D2D's, the Green Party, Labour, Socialist Party that all still need to be thrown off into the frame. The line manager is aware of it, and a few times now someone has wandered past and asked me how many have been thrown off, only to respond angrily ("not a single f*cking one?!") when I tell them. Presumably the manager has asked them to do it if they have time, otherwise I can't see why they care.

Anyway, I would happily throw them off, but I simply don't have the time. I get in at half 8 to an unprepped frame, maybe the mech is done, maybe it's not, and just about have enough time to prep and tie up to get out on time. There's no hope of finishing early on this round, and I'm not about to start working for free to throw off bloody D2D's. To be clear, the managers haven't been pressuring me or anything, it's just the response I'm getting from these guys who come to check. The driver, also a part timer who has been doing fulltime hours for this week only, says he hasn't had enough time to do them either. Where does the buck stop? I don't want people to start thinking I'm shirking responsibilities or something, but when there is literally not the time to do it I don't know how to resolve the issue. If the manager asked me to do some early overtime to get it done I'd happily accept, but they haven't. Now some poor bugger who's on the walk next after me is going to have to get all this crap delivered before Saturday.

After all that, I guess my question is - as a part time reserve, is throwing off D2D's something I need to worry about? Or is it someone else's issue and I should just forget about it, and ignore the snarky comments?

D2D's - whose responsibility is it to throw them off?

15 May 2019, 16:07

The responsibility for making sure D2Ds are prepped is the managers, he either tells someone to do it or leaves it up to you.

If he leaves it up to you then ask him what you should do as you can't complete and can't work over.

The political ones you get paid extra for each one you deliver but that doesn't mean you can be expected to work over, or do so without pay.

Check the various Overrunning Delivery and Election material threads for more information.

D2D's - whose responsibility is it to throw them off?

15 May 2019, 16:11

I see. The manager has obviously asked a couple of blokes to do it (the ones who came over to check) but both seemed pissed off and one said "Well I'm not f*cking doing it". Guess it's not my problem, especially as I'm being moved again tomorrow, but it is a bit of a shambles.

D2D's - whose responsibility is it to throw them off?

15 May 2019, 16:53

Households should be incorporated into the full timers morning plan unless you have time to do them when you get back from delivery. All political material is 3p per item prep and 3p per item delivery (this varies by office), however this has to be done on your own time as your paid a separate political payment instead of overtime, ask your manager for an E17 form. Personally I’d have prepped them into the frame even if your not on the duty the next day, easy money.

D2D's - whose responsibility is it to throw them off?

15 May 2019, 17:49

Stuff like this always happens when there are election leaflets.
Election leaflets are supposed to be prepped in your own time if you want the money, but often people want RM time to sort them in, and will therefore abandon other tasks they have been given.

D2D's - whose responsibility is it to throw them off?

15 May 2019, 18:13

regarding DtD in our office these are prepped first by the full timers or early starts then sequenced mail, then onto manual mail, packets etc . we had an issue with the same as
your office seems to have , hence DtDs first, the election mail is normally prepped by the person getting paid for this, not sure how it goes in your office, but in years gone by if delivering election mail and you go over your time , overtime payment was not paid as you were receiving the payment for the election leaflets.

D2D's - whose responsibility is it to throw them off?

15 May 2019, 19:18

It sounds like the OP is suffering the usual situation of there being no time available for the other posties to prep the walk for them. Given you don't have time to complete the job and overtime won't be paid due to election material payments I would recommend leaving the election materials and just throw up and deliver one vertical frame column of D2Ds. You are oblidged to do the D2Ds but if you are being moved to different walks daily you can get away with leaving the election materials for the 'regular posties'.

D2D's - whose responsibility is it to throw them off?

15 May 2019, 21:48

bardeh wrote: I get in at half 8 to an unprepped frame


That's ridiculous.

Door to Doors are part of the normal daily workload. Whoever is meant to prep the duty that day is responsible for prepping the door to doors (usually a fifth or a sixth of the frame).

Go in and look at your frame. Go and find the manager. Get him to look at the frame and explain why it isn't prepped fully and who is going to do it.
If he would like you to do it, explain that you'd like to be finished by xx o'clock which means you'd only have time for xx overtime. Tell him that
tomorrow you won't be working any overtime at all, so he needs to either find someone to prep the frame or someone to deliver half the duty.

D2D's - whose responsibility is it to throw them off?

15 May 2019, 23:01

NewPostieUK wrote:
bardeh wrote: I get in at half 8 to an unprepped frame


That's ridiculous.

Door to Doors are part of the normal daily workload. Whoever is meant to prep the duty that day is responsible for prepping the door to doors (usually a fifth or a sixth of the frame).


That's what I thought too but yesterday the frame was completely unprepped, with a box and a half of mech and then mixed stuff strewn all over everywhere in a messy heap, and today the mech was done but then I've still gotta do the mixed and the packets. Especially as a reserve when you're often not familiar with the frame, the mixed stuff can take a while to throw off too as you search for the addresses. Then you end up with missorted packets and get aggro when you hand them to people who have already tied up and are about to head out the door. :roll:

The driver told me that someone was meant to be helping him prep the frame because he was struggling to get it done, but :hmmmm: nobody actually did. I don't mind really, I like to think I'm reasonably fast and I have been getting it done and out the door in the nick of time, it's just the D2D's that are suffering.

D2D's - whose responsibility is it to throw them off?

16 May 2019, 05:13

leave them. its not your problem

D2D's - whose responsibility is it to throw them off?

16 May 2019, 05:34

miles_peters wrote:leave them. its not your problem


And if the sequenced isn't prepped in can you leave that too?
We don't have set tasks in our contract only set hours.

D2D's - whose responsibility is it to throw them off?

16 May 2019, 07:25

bardeh wrote:
NewPostieUK wrote:
bardeh wrote: I get in at half 8 to an unprepped frame


That's ridiculous.

Door to Doors are part of the normal daily workload. Whoever is meant to prep the duty that day is responsible for prepping the door to doors (usually a fifth or a sixth of the frame).


That's what I thought too but yesterday the frame was completely unprepped, with a box and a half of mech and then mixed stuff strewn all over everywhere in a messy heap, and today the mech was done but then I've still gotta do the mixed and the packets. Especially as a reserve when you're often not familiar with the frame, the mixed stuff can take a while to throw off too as you search for the addresses. Then you end up with missorted packets and get aggro when you hand them to people who have already tied up and are about to head out the door. :roll:

The driver told me that someone was meant to be helping him prep the frame because he was struggling to get it done, but :hmmmm: nobody actually did. I don't mind really, I like to think I'm reasonably fast and I have been getting it done and out the door in the nick of time, it's just the D2D's that are suffering.


When you say you are getting out the door in Nick of time, are you having your meal relief (presumably 30 minutes) either prior to commencement or during delivery?

D2D's - whose responsibility is it to throw them off?

16 May 2019, 12:23

Hi everyone

I am getting confused that we are actually getting extra paid for d2d items. I mean there is supposed to be a separate position on your payslip. I am referring to marketing d2d stuff - leaflets. I was also told we do get extra payment for political leaflets. I have been very busy last week with Ukip ones - addressed and all the rest like Green Party and Labour party. I can see no extra payment on my payslip apart from delivery supplement of £25.66 and some RRIS area 5 payment of £5 -mind blowing amout :crazy:

I am still very early days in the role so I dont understand everything. I dont wanna talk to the manager being unprepared and was thinking of seeking some advice here first.

Sorry If I asked all of this in the wrong thread.

D2D's - whose responsibility is it to throw them off?

16 May 2019, 12:58

No if you start at 8:30 the D2D have nothing to do with you, I would say the person who should have chucked them in is a smoker?

D2D's - whose responsibility is it to throw them off?

16 May 2019, 14:04

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