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Declaration of war.

11 Feb 2019, 22:07

number one wrote:
rambo1 wrote:
number one wrote:
rambo1 wrote:
number one wrote:
rambo1 wrote:
number one wrote:
hero22 wrote:how can you do 45 hours overtime in one week on top of your own contracted hours ? 44k a year is bollocks


Ghosting
Coming in to do early sorting -2hrs
Doing a row of a walk extra -2hrs
Doing a full walk extra -10hrs
Working day off -10hrs
York of packets -3hrs
Collections - 4hrs
Working Sunday -5hrs

It all adds up.

Come April I will post up wage slips for all the non believers

Time taken on deathbed to realise 'i worked too many hrs'

About a minute.


Paid for and worked are two different things

In that case, get prepared for a big change mate, as that sort of thing ain't gonna last much longer.


Heard the same thing for 20 years

If every office was run like your corrupted place, royal mail would go out of business and you and all 130000 of your colleagues would be in the dole queue. Why some posties still don't understand that we are now a business which has to make money or go out of business. Your office by your description is probably running at a loss, and you think that's gonna continue? Really?


Nope, as I said earlier we are within budget


I bet you are - just imagine all the dosh you're saving your DOM by doing all that OT instead of employing more posties. Bet he/she loves it when
their bonus is calculated.......

Declaration of war.

11 Feb 2019, 22:12

Yep, win win all round then. Happy posties, happy DOM makes a happy place to work

Declaration of war.

11 Feb 2019, 22:47

number one wrote:Yep, win win all round then. Happy posties, happy DOM makes a happy place to work

and a genius rep who works wonders

Declaration of war.

11 Feb 2019, 23:04

aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:Yep, win win all round then. Happy posties, happy DOM makes a happy place to work

and a genius rep who works wonders

Employed as a jackanory presenter prior to his life with RM and becoming a rep negotiating terms that May would dearly appreciate in Brussels. Dave Ward could do with some training tips from this master of improving the T&Cs to his members. How the unit DOM explains away the OT costs to his superior is a mystery to me.
This is certainly not typical DO budgeting experience that anyone else recognises, far less "happy posties" and a "happy " place to work. I do not believe it can be the Utopia he describes !!

Declaration of war.

12 Feb 2019, 00:13

tommyrep wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:Yep, win win all round then. Happy posties, happy DOM makes a happy place to work

and a genius rep who works wonders

Employed as a jackanory presenter prior to his life with RM and becoming a rep negotiating terms that May would dearly appreciate in Brussels. Dave Ward could do with some training tips from this master of improving the T&Cs to his members. How the unit DOM explains away the OT costs to his superior is a mystery to me.
This is certainly not typical DO budgeting experience that anyone else recognises, far less "happy posties" and a "happy " place to work. I do not believe it can be the Utopia he describes !!

He is in fantasy land mate.

Declaration of war.

12 Feb 2019, 04:58

tommyrep wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:Yep, win win all round then. Happy posties, happy DOM makes a happy place to work

and a genius rep who works wonders

Employed as a jackanory presenter prior to his life with RM and becoming a rep negotiating terms that May would dearly appreciate in Brussels. Dave Ward could do with some training tips from this master of improving the T&Cs to his members. How the unit DOM explains away the OT costs to his superior is a mystery to me.
This is certainly not typical DO budgeting experience that anyone else recognises, far less "happy posties" and a "happy " place to work. I do not believe it can be the Utopia he describes !!


Just because you might not be as successful as me in being a rep there’s no need for put downs

Declaration of war.

12 Feb 2019, 06:13

number one wrote:
tommyrep wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:Yep, win win all round then. Happy posties, happy DOM makes a happy place to work

and a genius rep who works wonders

Employed as a jackanory presenter prior to his life with RM and becoming a rep negotiating terms that May would dearly appreciate in Brussels. Dave Ward could do with some training tips from this master of improving the T&Cs to his members. How the unit DOM explains away the OT costs to his superior is a mystery to me.
This is certainly not typical DO budgeting experience that anyone else recognises, far less "happy posties" and a "happy " place to work. I do not believe it can be the Utopia he describes !!


Just because you might not be as successful as me in being a rep there’s no need for put downs


You must work in the biggest office in the U.K.

On the basis it has to fit your ego. :Applause

Declaration of war.

12 Feb 2019, 07:00

Chalky13 wrote:
number one wrote:
tommyrep wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:Yep, win win all round then. Happy posties, happy DOM makes a happy place to work

and a genius rep who works wonders

Employed as a jackanory presenter prior to his life with RM and becoming a rep negotiating terms that May would dearly appreciate in Brussels. Dave Ward could do with some training tips from this master of improving the T&Cs to his members. How the unit DOM explains away the OT costs to his superior is a mystery to me.
This is certainly not typical DO budgeting experience that anyone else recognises, far less "happy posties" and a "happy " place to work. I do not believe it can be the Utopia he describes !!


Just because you might not be as successful as me in being a rep there’s no need for put downs


You must work in the biggest office in the U.K.

On the basis it has to fit your ego. :Applause


No need for bullying

Declaration of war.

12 Feb 2019, 07:35

clashcityrocker wrote: So ask yourself how the technology you are using actually works and then ask why it might not be as accurate as you think.


Definitely not an attack, just asking, maybe you teach me something; are you saying those apps posties like to wave around showing how far they’ve walked are not at all accurate and if so, why aren’t they? Just genuinely curious as to why.

Declaration of war.

12 Feb 2019, 07:39

TheTrolleyMan wrote:Bring on clockin in/out machines


I’m 90% sure this function will be rolled out vie PDAs; don’t ask for citation, it’s just hearsay. We’ll see if I’m right.

Declaration of war.

12 Feb 2019, 07:46

clashcityrocker wrote:2. Someone working 30 hours/week overtime is keeping somebody else on the dole. That isn't trade unionism. That is shameful.


Couldn’t the same logic be applied to anyone earning, say, over 250k a year? That’s a ton of people in this country. Surely that wage ought to be broken down, into separate functions, to drag more people out of unemployment?

We’re in a (warped) capitalist system, it’s dog eat dog, earn as much as you can and sod everyone else. There’s no place for empathy it seems.

Declaration of war.

12 Feb 2019, 08:35

LaggyBand wrote:
clashcityrocker wrote: So ask yourself how the technology you are using actually works and then ask why it might not be as accurate as you think.


Definitely not an attack, just asking, maybe you teach me something; are you saying those apps posties like to wave around showing how far they’ve walked are not at all accurate and if so, why aren’t they? Just genuinely curious as to why.

Sometimes Fitbit doesn’t realise you have gotnin a van and driving if you drive down a very bumpy lane. But then those days it says I done 20+!

Declaration of war.

12 Feb 2019, 09:33

LaggyBand wrote:
TheTrolleyMan wrote:Bring on clockin in/out machines


I’m 90% sure this function will be rolled out vie PDAs; don’t ask for citation, it’s just hearsay. We’ll see if I’m right.

Can't be, not every process in a MC uses PDAs. It might be just in DOs that they use PDAs as clocking in/out machines

Declaration of war.

12 Feb 2019, 10:20

SpacePhoenix wrote:
LaggyBand wrote:
TheTrolleyMan wrote:Bring on clockin in/out machines


I’m 90% sure this function will be rolled out vie PDAs; don’t ask for citation, it’s just hearsay. We’ll see if I’m right.

Can't be, not every process in a MC uses PDAs. It might be just in DOs that they use PDAs as clocking in/out machines


Yes you’re right I was talking about where PDAs are already in use.

Declaration of war.

12 Feb 2019, 11:55

number one wrote:
tommyrep wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:Yep, win win all round then. Happy posties, happy DOM makes a happy place to work

and a genius rep who works wonders

Employed as a jackanory presenter prior to his life with RM and becoming a rep negotiating terms that May would dearly appreciate in Brussels. Dave Ward could do with some training tips from this master of improving the T&Cs to his members. How the unit DOM explains away the OT costs to his superior is a mystery to me.
This is certainly not typical DO budgeting experience that anyone else recognises, far less "happy posties" and a "happy " place to work. I do not believe it can be the Utopia he describes !!


Just because you might not be as successful as me in being a rep there’s no need for put downs

I am not putting you down really, i have a lot of sympathy with your delusion, it’s just not the scenario I can comprehend in all honesty, compared with my delivery experience.
You must have your DOM over a barrel and I he is certainly not following the same hymn sheet as the others nationwide, as the many posters on here report on ! You say that your DOM is happy ! his remit must differ from others nationally.
It is too good to be true, and I do not believe you ! sorry but Santa does not exist in real life within the modern day RM.
By the way, high self praise is no honour ! If your Rep qualities and abilities are sooooo good Dave Ward needs you to get out there round the offices to pass on your methods and wisdom, it would be a great template for the other less successful Reps to follow. You do remind me of my early school days, where a lad was so convinced in his belief in continual exaggeration that he eventually needed therapy, poor chap. Your life experience with RM is not the norm, far from it, you better hope that your current DOM does not get punted soon, the replacement may not be such an easy pushover! and I would then love to hear how successful and good your Rep skills really are, - as you spout regularly on this forum.
No one likes a baw heed where I come from, simple fact over fiction always rules the day.

Declaration of war.

12 Feb 2019, 14:08

number one wrote:
Chalky13 wrote:
number one wrote:
tommyrep wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:Yep, win win all round then. Happy posties, happy DOM makes a happy place to work

and a genius rep who works wonders

Employed as a jackanory presenter prior to his life with RM and becoming a rep negotiating terms that May would dearly appreciate in Brussels. Dave Ward could do with some training tips from this master of improving the T&Cs to his members. How the unit DOM explains away the OT costs to his superior is a mystery to me.
This is certainly not typical DO budgeting experience that anyone else recognises, far less "happy posties" and a "happy " place to work. I do not believe it can be the Utopia he describes !!


Just because you might not be as successful as me in being a rep there’s no need for put downs


You must work in the biggest office in the U.K.

On the basis it has to fit your ego. :Applause


No need for bullying


Bullying? Certainly isn’t that.

Declaration of war.

12 Feb 2019, 14:37

LaggyBand wrote:
clashcityrocker wrote: So ask yourself how the technology you are using actually works and then ask why it might not be as accurate as you think.


Definitely not an attack, just asking, maybe you teach me something; are you saying those apps posties like to wave around showing how far they’ve walked are not at all accurate and if so, why aren’t they? Just genuinely curious as to why.

Yes I am saying they are not accurate - mainly I think because they work on triangulation and when it can't properly triangulate your position it makes stuff up.
If you talk to someone who runs marathons quite often the distance on their watch at the end is different to the correct distance. If you run through tunnels etc something goes wrong. Now when you are out on delivery standing at front doors, in built up areas and in blocks of flats I don't believe the technology is that accurate.
There used to be someone on this forum who claimed it was exactly one mile to the start of his delivery and he could walk it in exactly 8 minutes. I don't need any technology to tell me something is wrong because he couldn't walk an 8 minute mile.
I was going to buy a Garmin watch to measure the duties in my office once and the bloke in the shop told me it would be a waste of money because it simply wouldn't/couldn't produce accurate measurements for that.
So when people wave their technology about and tell me they are walking 13 miles every day on delivery I remain very sceptical.
Common sense tells me otherwise.

Declaration of war.

12 Feb 2019, 16:25

Bernardo Silva covered 8.5 miles in 90 odd minutes against Liverpool recently. Apparently that's a record. I used to do twice that distance in an hour at the 5-a-sides. They used to call me the Scottish Maradona on account of the serious drug habit.

Declaration of war.

12 Feb 2019, 17:24

number one wrote:
rambo1 wrote:
number one wrote:
hero22 wrote:how can you do 45 hours overtime in one week on top of your own contracted hours ? 44k a year is bollocks


Ghosting
Coming in to do early sorting -2hrs
Doing a row of a walk extra -2hrs
Doing a full walk extra -10hrs
Working day off -10hrs
York of packets -3hrs
Collections - 4hrs
Working Sunday -5hrs

It all adds up.

Come April I will post up wage slips for all the non believers

Time taken on deathbed to realise 'i worked too many hrs'

About a minute.


Paid for and worked are two different things


I wouldn’t necessarily disbelieve Number One. There is an office not far from me where they can do 2 deliveries in their normal work hours and claim all the duty hours as overtime. They have a very strong union and ALL members stick together. They don’t accept change easily and as a result their rounds have hardly changed over the years. They have never lapsed and as far as I know still have a reasonably early Saturday finish and some even still use bikes. Managers don’t tend to last very long, usually off with stress after a few months then get moved on.

Declaration of war.

12 Feb 2019, 17:44

plymouth3 wrote:manager in my office thinks are are going back to posties and parcel drivers,

However he reckons a postie will deliver letters and postable packets for two walks on a bike.
A parcel driver will deliver packets for 4-6 walks.

If driver delivers parcels for 6 walks, that would also require 3 mail posties. So therefore 4 posties are delivering 6 walks instead of the current 6.

Big savings

That’s not going to happen :crazy:

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