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Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 12:53

clashcityrocker wrote:
goldy wrote:I think we have to start thinking about]maximum walking distance.

First we need to realise that nobody is walking 13 miles/day.
It would take you over 4 hours of walking at a steady pace to cover that distance - never mind stopping at doors/waiting for customers etc.
So if we are going to start thinking about maximum walking distances we first need an accurate measure.


I can absolutely assure you that in my old office that most deliveries were at least 13 miles long on a good day.

5-6 hours long deliveries at the least where 90% of the office do not finish on time and lapsing was every single day because of staff shortages.

If everyone did the job properly ( I did and would leave loops everyday ) then add another hour or so to that number.

Some offices are an utter shambles.

4-5000 thousand new delivery points in 5 years didn’t help but nor doe no new deliveries.

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 13:47

clashcityrocker wrote:
goldy wrote:I think we have to start thinking about]maximum walking distance.

First we need to realise that nobody is walking 13 miles/day.
It would take you over 4 hours of walking at a steady pace to cover that distance - never mind stopping at doors/waiting for customers etc.
So if we are going to start thinking about maximum walking distances we first need an accurate measure.


i once measured my old walk a few years ago pausing all the stops/driving and it was 13.5 miles, it's since had some added on too, i've also done some longer duties since

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 13:54

Phantom wrote:
Celgar wrote: So now we have to go to war and 'work to rule', or do the job properly as it is otherwise known, to show that how we do it currently makes it possible.


So you haven't being doing the job properly and they've managed to strip hours out...………….Think about it!!!

Well said ! Now he talk of going to war ?
Until all units do the job properly there will never be a war and RM know that.
Too many spineless colleagues to go to war, probably would not win a tug o war challenge against the local pre school nursery team.

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 14:39

tommyrep wrote:
Phantom wrote:
Celgar wrote: So now we have to go to war and 'work to rule', or do the job properly as it is otherwise known, to show that how we do it currently makes it possible.


So you haven't being doing the job properly and they've managed to strip hours out...………….Think about it!!!

Well said ! Now he talk of going to war ?
Until all units do the job properly there will never be a war and RM know that.
Too many spineless colleagues to go to war, probably would not win a tug o war challenge against the local pre school nursery team.

In my office i cant get my head round when Postman say i am now going to do the job properly and work till my time when Royal Mail have the last 12 months PDA results that say they have been finishing 2 hours early and they dance in front of the DOM when signing off at Midday THICK as S...

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 15:28

It's nothing to do with budgets as nearly or all delivery offices go over budget,


Of course it is.
When they take hours out of an office where do you think they take them from,the cupboard under the stairs?
When you build a budget you have to populate it with real things,not imaginary savings based on members starting early or not taking their breaks. It gets filled by indoor workload and outdoor workload. This is where savings plans are applied and hours cut from core budgets, mostly from indoor work because outdoor is pretty static.

Dynamic savings are what happens on a daily basis when numpties start early,don't take their breaks and end up lapsing. Hours are not removed from offices because of dynamic savings because as you point out despite lapsing the vast majority of offices are still over budget but what it does mean is that these offices are closer to budget than they should be which makes it harder to get hours back in.

If Royal Mail introduced banking hours it would be possible to apply budget savings to finishing times but would members still start early if their hours were banked...who knows?

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 16:28

Pidleypoo wrote:
clashcityrocker wrote:
goldy wrote:I think we have to start thinking about]maximum walking distance.

First we need to realise that nobody is walking 13 miles/day.
It would take you over 4 hours of walking at a steady pace to cover that distance - never mind stopping at doors/waiting for customers etc.
So if we are going to start thinking about maximum walking distances we first need an accurate measure.


I can absolutely assure you that in my old office that most deliveries were at least 13 miles long on a good day.

5-6 hours long deliveries at the least where 90% of the office do not finish on time and lapsing was every single day because of staff shortages.

If everyone did the job properly ( I did and would leave loops everyday ) then add another hour or so to that number.

Some offices are an utter shambles.

4-5000 thousand new delivery points in 5 years didn’t help but nor doe no new deliveries.

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 17:46

Phantom wrote:
Celgar wrote: So now we have to go to war and 'work to rule', or do the job properly as it is otherwise known, to show that how we do it currently makes it possible.


So you haven't being doing the job properly and they've managed to strip hours out...………….Think about it!!!

The changes they want to bring in haven't been brought in yet and no one including the DOM thinks they can work. RM are saying there isn't enough mail to justify the time allocated to doing IPS. Currently overall there is some work being done unpaid so RM is currently on a winner in our DO but the manager who wants these changes cannot see that. The drastic changes they want to bring in will leave just four or five posties available to do the IPS so it can't possibly work.

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 18:10

The drastic changes they want to bring in will leave just four or five posties available to do the IPS so it can't possibly work.


They will try to make it work on paper and then when it doesn't work in practice they'll blame performance. One of the ways they make it work on paper is to "forget" certain tasks when populating the IWT so it's important that you make sure everything is accounted for on the Indoor Work Tool.

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 18:46

postmanzach wrote:Here’s the problem with Royal Mail, they
Pay overtime to people like me to clear up cut offs whilst people are going home early. I like the money, but it’s ridiculous that people go home early when there’s work to be do. Does this happen nationwide? Sure it does..

You hit the nail on the head. It's a ridiculous situation when part time staff are paid overtime to come in early to sort but then finish their own duties early yet still get paid the morning overtime. And the ones with duties that are impossible to do in the hrs get interrogated for going over when we are the most cost effective employees in royal mail, i.e we work every minute we get paid for.

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 18:53

number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
Celgar wrote:We are going to try and fight it but I already feel we are going to lose and that this is the end . :sad:

Get number one in as your office rep he and his colleagues seem to have plenty of hours to spare in their DO.



I would but busy looking after my own staff. Don’t hate

Your staff??? where have i used the word HATE??


Yes “my staff” the staff that I defend and look after day to day in my office. Our office is in budget, hits all our delivery targets. Job and finish is still in place, no lapsing and plenty of overtime for those that want it. Zero bullying and everyone enjoys working there. There’s also 21 members who will earn over £44k this year, whats not to like?

No lapsing. Office in budget. Most finishing early. Plus plenty of overtime? You lot are in for a very big reality check and wake up call. How is there overtime when people are finishing early? Isn't that what lapsing is for?

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 18:57

Celgar wrote:
Phantom wrote:
Celgar wrote: So now we have to go to war and 'work to rule', or do the job properly as it is otherwise known, to show that how we do it currently makes it possible.


So you haven't being doing the job properly and they've managed to strip hours out...………….Think about it!!!

The changes they want to bring in haven't been brought in yet and no one including the DOM thinks they can work. RM are saying there isn't enough mail to justify the time allocated to doing IPS. Currently overall there is some work being done unpaid so RM is currently on a winner in our DO but the manager who wants these changes cannot see that. The drastic changes they want to bring in will leave just four or five posties available to do the IPS so it can't possibly work.

Like our place. Not enough sorters as they are busy prepping other walks up. IPS is regularly still being done at 8.30- 9am.

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 19:05

rambo1 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
Celgar wrote:We are going to try and fight it but I already feel we are going to lose and that this is the end . :sad:

Get number one in as your office rep he and his colleagues seem to have plenty of hours to spare in their DO.



I would but busy looking after my own staff. Don’t hate

Your staff??? where have i used the word HATE??


Yes “my staff” the staff that I defend and look after day to day in my office. Our office is in budget, hits all our delivery targets. Job and finish is still in place, no lapsing and plenty of overtime for those that want it. Zero bullying and everyone enjoys working there. There’s also 21 members who will earn over £44k this year, whats not to like?

No lapsing. Office in budget. Most finishing early. Plus plenty of overtime? You lot are in for a very big reality check and wake up call. How is there overtime when people are finishing early? Isn't that what lapsing is for?

Think its a wind up rambo1 although numberone is very confident in his ability as a rep.

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 19:27

Genuinely not a wind up but I don’t really care what others think. Yes I am confident in my ability to motivate staff and make sure we all stick together when proposals are suggested. If we don’t like them or agree to them then they don’t get implemented

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 19:48

aiden01 wrote:
rambo1 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
Celgar wrote:We are going to try and fight it but I already feel we are going to lose and that this is the end . :sad:

Get number one in as your office rep he and his colleagues seem to have plenty of hours to spare in their DO.



I would but busy looking after my own staff. Don’t hate

Your staff??? where have i used the word HATE??


Yes “my staff” the staff that I defend and look after day to day in my office. Our office is in budget, hits all our delivery targets. Job and finish is still in place, no lapsing and plenty of overtime for those that want it. Zero bullying and everyone enjoys working there. There’s also 21 members who will earn over £44k this year, whats not to like?

No lapsing. Office in budget. Most finishing early. Plus plenty of overtime? You lot are in for a very big reality check and wake up call. How is there overtime when people are finishing early? Isn't that what lapsing is for?

Think its a wind up rambo1 although numberone is very confident in his ability as a rep.

sounds like a bit of a wind up to be honest or maybe a manager ? overtime within your contracted hours isn't that fraud ? and the manager signs it off :crazy: that's even worse , it will all end in tears .

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 20:06

Not this whole boring fraud debate again! It’s tiresome, not fraud so get over it

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 20:08

:confused
worktotime wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
rambo1 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
Celgar wrote:We are going to try and fight it but I already feel we are going to lose and that this is the end . :sad:

Get number one in as your office rep he and his colleagues seem to have plenty of hours to spare in their DO.



I would but busy looking after my own staff. Don’t hate

Your staff??? where have i used the word HATE??


Yes “my staff” the staff that I defend and look after day to day in my office. Our office is in budget, hits all our delivery targets. Job and finish is still in place, no lapsing and plenty of overtime for those that want it. Zero bullying and everyone enjoys working there. There’s also 21 members who will earn over £44k this year, whats not to like?

No lapsing. Office in budget. Most finishing early. Plus plenty of overtime? You lot are in for a very big reality check and wake up call. How is there overtime when people are finishing early? Isn't that what lapsing is for?

Think its a wind up rambo1 although numberone is very confident in his ability as a rep.

sounds like a bit of a wind up to be honest or maybe a manager ? overtime within your contracted hours isn't that fraud ? and the manager signs it off :crazy: that's even worse , it will all end in tears .

Didnt want to say the manager bit lol

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 20:23

number one wrote:Not this whole boring fraud debate again! It’s tiresome, not fraud so get over it

what is it then please explain this , im sure o/t is over your contracted working hours or am I wrong , please explain this as top rep in your office as the powers above in the cwu say different.

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 20:48

number one wrote:
P13 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
Celgar wrote:We are going to try and fight it but I already feel we are going to lose and that this is the end . :sad:

Get number one in as your office rep he and his colleagues seem to have plenty of hours to spare in their DO.



I would but busy looking after my own staff. Don’t hate

Your staff??? where have i used the word HATE??


Yes “my staff” the staff that I defend and look after day to day in my office. Our office is in budget, hits all our delivery targets. Job and finish is still in place, no lapsing and plenty of overtime for those that want it. Zero bullying and everyone enjoys working there. There’s also 21 members who will earn over £44k this year, whats not to like?

Do you and "your staff" use the mandatory equipment for example lightweight trolleys


Nope, the odd one or two do


What a surprise lol

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 20:58

jd9442 wrote:
number one wrote:
P13 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
Celgar wrote:We are going to try and fight it but I already feel we are going to lose and that this is the end . :sad:

Get number one in as your office rep he and his colleagues seem to have plenty of hours to spare in their DO.



I would but busy looking after my own staff. Don’t hate

Your staff??? where have i used the word HATE??


Yes “my staff” the staff that I defend and look after day to day in my office. Our office is in budget, hits all our delivery targets. Job and finish is still in place, no lapsing and plenty of overtime for those that want it. Zero bullying and everyone enjoys working there. There’s also 21 members who will earn over £44k this year, whats not to like?

Do you and "your staff" use the mandatory equipment for example lightweight trolleys


Nope, the odd one or two do


What a surprise lol

fantasy island me thinks .

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 21:03

number one wrote:Not this whole boring fraud debate again! It’s tiresome, not fraud so get over it


You a top notch lawyer as well as a rep?

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