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09 Feb 2019, 09:53

worktotime wrote:
DGH wrote:Come October, our working hours for full timers will be cut by one hour. That cut of one hour equates to roughly a 3% cut.

This is less to do with PDA actuals (is anyone really niave enough to believe RM will use that data to increase its costs?) and much more to do with the shorter working week.

i never said they where to cut an hour off the shorter working week as that is suppose to be off the indoor work by less ips etc and more sequenced mail and we all know theres no change in that so if posties want to work for free that's hiding the real required time for the work , but r/ m will be using pdas to strip hours out of offices and that with be down to the time posties are finishing there not bothered what time you start , and when they bring in clocking in and out they will try to pay for your hours actually worked like any normal company do.

A shorter working week means less time to sequence mail so more will go manual, there's a low limit to the amount of mail that can be sequenced on wave two (including any rolled over from wave 1)

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09 Feb 2019, 12:45

Our office just did a revision and had to put hours in. But I’ve been told the hours have to taken out of other offices to make up for our increase.

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09 Feb 2019, 13:17

All you do is start on your proper time and if you don't want any overtime finish on your proper time. It's simple, theres nothing to argue about

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09 Feb 2019, 15:53

aiden01 wrote:
Celgar wrote:We are going to try and fight it but I already feel we are going to lose and that this is the end . :sad:

Get number one in as your office rep he and his colleagues seem to have plenty of hours to spare in their DO.



I would but busy looking after my own staff. Don’t hate

Declaration of war.

09 Feb 2019, 16:11

Celgar wrote: So now we have to go to war and 'work to rule', or do the job properly as it is otherwise known, to show that how we do it currently makes it possible.


So you haven't being doing the job properly and they've managed to strip hours out...………….Think about it!!!

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09 Feb 2019, 18:25

Phantom wrote:
Celgar wrote: So now we have to go to war and 'work to rule', or do the job properly as it is otherwise known, to show that how we do it currently makes it possible.


So you haven't being doing the job properly and they've managed to strip hours out...………….Think about it!!!


Haha, I think you've nailed it........

Declaration of war.

09 Feb 2019, 18:57

They're going to strip hours regardless.

PDA actuals won't help us as much as we might hope and neither will 'doing the job properly' (which I'm all in favour of, by the way).

RM are going to cut year on year and it isn't going to be pretty. But we basically agreed to it in the last pay deal.

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09 Feb 2019, 20:40

number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
Celgar wrote:We are going to try and fight it but I already feel we are going to lose and that this is the end . :sad:

Get number one in as your office rep he and his colleagues seem to have plenty of hours to spare in their DO.



I would but busy looking after my own staff. Don’t hate

Your staff??? where have i used the word HATE??

Declaration of war.

09 Feb 2019, 20:51

Phantom wrote:
Celgar wrote: So now we have to go to war and 'work to rule', or do the job properly as it is otherwise known, to show that how we do it currently makes it possible.


So you haven't being doing the job properly and they've managed to strip hours out...………….Think about it!!!


Again for the hard of understanding.
Doing the job properly doesn't make any difference when you're arguing against a savings plan that's based on indoor hours (as they all are).
The projected traffic goes into the IWT and it spits out the hours required.
We're dealing with a structural decline in letter traffic, we're seeing increased automation and we're seeing less feeds with later starts which are all reducing the indoor hours.

Not doing the job properly increases lapsing and lets management reduce costs dynamically, it allows them the scope to hit budget targets where otherwise they would overspend and it hides a multitude of failings but it DOESN'T affect the setting of budgets or savings plans. You can't set a budget based on something that isn't supposed to happen and therefore has no parameters in the IWT.

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10 Feb 2019, 00:06

Here’s the problem with Royal Mail, they
Pay overtime to people like me to clear up cut offs whilst people are going home early. I like the money, but it’s ridiculous that people go home early when there’s work to be do. Does this happen nationwide? Sure it does..

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10 Feb 2019, 07:59

Problem is, a vast majority of the OPGs going home early are only doing so because they've not taken all their paid break; not used their LWTs/HCTs correctly (carrying pouches on their shoulders, often way above the lowered official limit of [5Kg?]); not stood still while grabbing the letters from their working bundle for the next address etc. Easily has the potential to reduce the working day by 60-90mins, depending on how busy the day is.

And by getting back off delivery earlier, this gives them opportunity to prep the next day's D2D into the frame before signing out for the day.

Which then reduces the next morning's indoor time before their PDA records what time they leave the office for delivery, anything from approx 10-60 minutes, depending upon how many D2Ds the duty has for the week and how many addresses have been prepped.

Job and finish was supposed to have ended ~9 years ago, but in reality old practices carried on.

As long as OPGs finish time takes account of any untaken break, finishing before their hours are up, they don't care... But then you have others who should be getting paid overtime after taking account of untaken break time but they don't claim, for fear of "performance issue" accusations. It's a crazy situation where doing the job properly, which takes more time, puts you in a tiny minority in the office and puts a target on your back.

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10 Feb 2019, 09:45

Woody Guthrie wrote:
Phantom wrote:
Celgar wrote: So now we have to go to war and 'work to rule', or do the job properly as it is otherwise known, to show that how we do it currently makes it possible.


So you haven't being doing the job properly and they've managed to strip hours out...………….Think about it!!!


Again for the hard of understanding.
Doing the job properly doesn't make any difference when you're arguing against a savings plan that's based on indoor hours (as they all are).
The projected traffic goes into the IWT and it spits out the hours required.
We're dealing with a structural decline in letter traffic, we're seeing increased automation and we're seeing less feeds with later starts which are all reducing the indoor hours.

Not doing the job properly increases lapsing and lets management reduce costs dynamically, it allows them the scope to hit budget targets where otherwise they would overspend and it hides a multitude of failings but it DOESN'T affect the setting of budgets or savings plans. You can't set a budget based on something that isn't supposed to happen and therefore has no parameters in the IWT.


It's nothing to do with budgets as nearly or all delivery offices go over budget, it's all about your finishing time. PDA actuals are looked at by the Ops Manager and delivery director for each sector, they are not interested in what time you start, whether you take a break or use a trolley. All they want to see is the time you finish and if it's before your schedule time then they want those hours. The sad thing is, is that a lot of staff are still in that frame of mind that they have to make time and this is exactly what RM want that's why none of the above is enforced.

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 09:59

aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
Celgar wrote:We are going to try and fight it but I already feel we are going to lose and that this is the end . :sad:

Get number one in as your office rep he and his colleagues seem to have plenty of hours to spare in their DO.



I would but busy looking after my own staff. Don’t hate

Your staff??? where have i used the word HATE??


Yes “my staff” the staff that I defend and look after day to day in my office. Our office is in budget, hits all our delivery targets. Job and finish is still in place, no lapsing and plenty of overtime for those that want it. Zero bullying and everyone enjoys working there. There’s also 21 members who will earn over £44k this year, whats not to like?

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10 Feb 2019, 10:43

44 k ?

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10 Feb 2019, 11:04

Our rep said we are to lose hours, he said he hadnt agreed anything ,although others on here have said it was in the original agreement five years ago, but I think the extra work is making the walks impossibly long, on a tuesday mail is light but because of flex we walk up to thirteen miles our normal duty is about ten or eleven but the flex is basically half another round between us.I think we have to start thinking about]maximum walking distance.

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10 Feb 2019, 11:14

number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
Celgar wrote:We are going to try and fight it but I already feel we are going to lose and that this is the end . :sad:

Get number one in as your office rep he and his colleagues seem to have plenty of hours to spare in their DO.



I would but busy looking after my own staff. Don’t hate

Your staff??? where have i used the word HATE??


Yes “my staff” the staff that I defend and look after day to day in my office. Our office is in budget, hits all our delivery targets. Job and finish is still in place, no lapsing and plenty of overtime for those that want it. Zero bullying and everyone enjoys working there. There’s also 21 members who will earn over £44k this year, whats not to like?

Honestly cant take your posts with any seriousness. :wave

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10 Feb 2019, 11:16

goldy wrote:I think we have to start thinking about]maximum walking distance.

First we need to realise that nobody is walking 13 miles/day.
It would take you over 4 hours of walking at a steady pace to cover that distance - never mind stopping at doors/waiting for customers etc.
So if we are going to start thinking about maximum walking distances we first need an accurate measure.

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 11:22

aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
Celgar wrote:We are going to try and fight it but I already feel we are going to lose and that this is the end . :sad:

Get number one in as your office rep he and his colleagues seem to have plenty of hours to spare in their DO.



I would but busy looking after my own staff. Don’t hate

Your staff??? where have i used the word HATE??


Yes “my staff” the staff that I defend and look after day to day in my office. Our office is in budget, hits all our delivery targets. Job and finish is still in place, no lapsing and plenty of overtime for those that want it. Zero bullying and everyone enjoys working there. There’s also 21 members who will earn over £44k this year, whats not to like?

Honestly cant take your posts with any seriousness. :wave


That’s absolutely fine, your choice but I can tell you it’s 100% true.

Declaration of war.

10 Feb 2019, 11:27

number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
Celgar wrote:We are going to try and fight it but I already feel we are going to lose and that this is the end . :sad:

Get number one in as your office rep he and his colleagues seem to have plenty of hours to spare in their DO.



I would but busy looking after my own staff. Don’t hate

Your staff??? where have i used the word HATE??


Yes “my staff” the staff that I defend and look after day to day in my office. Our office is in budget, hits all our delivery targets. Job and finish is still in place, no lapsing and plenty of overtime for those that want it. Zero bullying and everyone enjoys working there. There’s also 21 members who will earn over £44k this year, whats not to like?

Do you and "your staff" use the mandatory equipment for example lightweight trolleys

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10 Feb 2019, 11:49

P13 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
Celgar wrote:We are going to try and fight it but I already feel we are going to lose and that this is the end . :sad:

Get number one in as your office rep he and his colleagues seem to have plenty of hours to spare in their DO.



I would but busy looking after my own staff. Don’t hate

Your staff??? where have i used the word HATE??


Yes “my staff” the staff that I defend and look after day to day in my office. Our office is in budget, hits all our delivery targets. Job and finish is still in place, no lapsing and plenty of overtime for those that want it. Zero bullying and everyone enjoys working there. There’s also 21 members who will earn over £44k this year, whats not to like?

Do you and "your staff" use the mandatory equipment for example lightweight trolleys


Nope, the odd one or two do

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