11 Feb 2018, 10:06
11 Feb 2018, 11:13
11 Feb 2018, 11:38
11 Feb 2018, 16:20
fishtank wrote: In reality we know that the vote will go through because there's cash on offer,
11 Feb 2018, 16:32
97gaz wrote:fishtank wrote: In reality we know that the vote will go through because there's cash on offer,
I know it's not going to be very accurate but the poll we had on here for the original strike vote was 90% in favour with the actual being 89%.
The current poll for the ballot for this agreement is 66% in favor of rejection on here.
11 Feb 2018, 16:46
11 Feb 2018, 18:24
DGH wrote:I tend to agree with fishtank.
Most part-timers will be tempted by the deal because it up's the hourly rate as well as giving a pay rise. I suspect many over 55s will also be tempted by it, even if it means them taking a bit of a hit on their pension. Those in the 35-55 bracket who are full time are most likely to reject it, I think, and I think a substantial number of them will prefer to have some money now and worry about the future later.
11 Feb 2018, 22:09
12 Feb 2018, 12:08
12 Feb 2018, 12:19
fishtank wrote:There were 4 pillars and depending on your point of view 3 of them have been addressed
13 Feb 2018, 16:43
nataddick wrote:I am with Fish on this issue - we need a separate vote for the final Pensions Proposal. The CWU’s campaign strategy had to include the Pensions pillar to unite the workforce and, in that respect, it did so with overwhelming support per the 89.1% ballot vote.
However, there is no definitive pension solution to vote on at the moment and in fact the current proposal is very different from the one that the CWU campaigned on, which was for WINR’s DB scheme with a 1/60th Pension accrual rate not a CDC scheme with a 1/80th accrual rate. Hilary Salt from First Actuarial makes reference to this very early on in her presentation. Also, the DC option for RMPP members with an employer’s contribution of 13.6% appears to have been removed without an explanation from either RM or the CWU. I have emailed RM on this point.
So, I would agree that we should vote ONLY on 3 of the 4 Pillars and leave the pension vote in abeyance until the CDC scheme has had clearance by the Government. Or the ballot paper should be worded so as to provide a caveat on the Pensions issue.
13 Feb 2018, 20:12
14 Feb 2018, 14:56
SpacePhoenix wrote:If the required legislation fails to get through parliamnent, is there a "Plan B"?
14 Feb 2018, 15:59
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:SpacePhoenix wrote:If the required legislation fails to get through parliamnent, is there a "Plan B"?
Probably to keep the inferior pension that starts in April.
14 Feb 2018, 18:28
NewPostieUK wrote:I can't find any point of view from which any of The Four Pillars of Security have been addressed.
The only definite is the pay rise, which doesn't seem to be a Pillar.
1 A PENSION SOLUTION FOR ALL
NewPostieUK wrote:2 A SHORTER WORKING WEEK
FROM 39HRS TO 35HRS
FOR A FULL-TIME JOB