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ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

05 May 2017, 15:01

Two at my office have to prep a couple of other walks each morning for others to deliver. Are we entitled to any payment for throwing off, but not delivering poll cards?

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

05 May 2017, 19:52

clashcityrocker wrote:As a little aside - is the payment for prep and delivery or delivery only?
What happens to the payment if you prep an absorbed walk?
How do van share partnerships split the payment if one is on prep and the other on IPS?
I'm not sure - moving the election material into workload might be a good idea.


Also asked these questions, to no avail.
The whole situation is a complete mess. If we get them later in the day for the following day, then i count while prepping them into frame, after i have finished my walk, and maybe leave a few for before my shift starts in the morning.
It's baffling why there isn't some official operations prep plan for these circumstances. It's most certainly not seen as important as they're only in once every four years and it's over before you know it.

Indy Ref, Brexit, council elections, general election. What a pain in the arse.

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

05 May 2017, 20:05

psyCrowe wrote:The whole situation is a complete mess. If we get them later in the day for the following day, then i count while prepping them into frame, after i have finished my walk, and maybe leave a few for before my shift starts in the morning.
It's baffling why there isn't some official operations prep plan for these circumstances. It's most certainly not seen as important as they're only in once every four years and it's over before you know it.

Indy Ref, Brexit, council elections, general election. What a pain in the arse.


Exactly.

You don't get paid for delivering them other than 3p per item IF YOU COUNT THEM! Stupid.
You can't opt out yet overtime isn't compulsory.
Seems unpaid overtime IS compulsory. Stupid.
People who prep other duties get paid their £10+ per hour for prepping them, yet the person delivering them (or not, in the case of van sharers) has to magically know
how many there were, claim 3p for them, and make sure the other mail takes them over, not the poll cards!

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

08 May 2017, 16:06

"Stupid Stupid Stupid" will probably what would be on the gravestone of Royal Mail when it is finally laid to rest .

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

08 May 2017, 16:47

Is there anybody out there who knows why some offices get the minimum 3p per poll card [ like ours ] and some offices [like the one 15 miles away ] get 5p per poll card.

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

08 May 2017, 17:21

wheresourmoney wrote:Is there anybody out there who knows why some offices get the minimum 3p per poll card [ like ours ] and some offices [like the one 15 miles away ] get 5p per poll card.


Yes - Its actually explained in the 3rd post of this thread but copied and pasted here:
4) Payments

All existing local payments covering the delivery of election material as stated in
paragraph 2 above will remain in place, and in accordance with this agreement, with the
following exceptions.

1. The minimum payment for delivering election material will be 3p per item.

2. The maximum payment for delivering election material will be 6.6p per item.

3. All hours based schemes will be converted to pence per item schemes and then the
criteria in 1 and 2 above will be applied. Where delivery offices have introduced a SDD
revision since the last delivery of election material then the following formula will be
applied prior to the criteria in 1 and 2 above being applied.
Previous no. Walks X O/T hours per walk e.g. 35 X 2 hrs hours = 3.5hrs
Current no. of Walks 20

4. In those Units where there are two payments e.g. 4.5p for the first three parties and
1.67p for additional parties the minimum payment will become 3p with any payments over
this amount being retained.

5. In those Units where there is a mixture of hours and pence per item based payments
the process in 4) 3. above will be followed for the hours based element, with the process
in 4) 4. above then being applied.
Where election material items exceed 20g in weight a further 0.5p will be payable.
These revised payments apply from the date of this agreement and cover all election
material as identified above. They are payable on an individual basis, and are not affected
by any collective criteria/responsibility.

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

08 May 2017, 17:26

wheresourmoney wrote:Is there anybody out there who knows why some offices get the minimum 3p per poll card [ like ours ] and some offices [like the one 15 miles away ] get 5p per poll card.

It is a historical anomaly that nobody has had the conkers to (re) address. Yet.

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

08 May 2017, 18:25

LTB 257/17 - Delivery of General Election Material - 8th June 2017 <<<< New LTB (with attachments)

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ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

09 May 2017, 19:05

awesomepenguin wrote:"Stupid Stupid Stupid" will probably what would be on the gravestone of Royal Mail when it is finally laid to rest .
But the gravestones of thousands will not tell of the toll it has taken upon them only the gravestones will say that in time just like WW1 did but it is not the full toll with the injured staff we now have leaving the "Business" on good terms "good leavers" or people who have been shafted by greedy bastards at the top for the good of the business. The workload on postmen now is untenable and as such need to work our hours even bring back the packets of the oppressed people and not so oppressed just to deliver a BLOODY POLL CARD BY NEXT DAY WHAT AN INDICTMENT OF A PISS POOR BUSINESS!

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

09 May 2017, 22:19

If I'm on a 20 hour contract, and am paid delivery supplement pro rata, should I only do D2D and election material pro rata in terms of numbers of articles delivered?

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

09 May 2017, 23:30

From the LTB thread copied here to keep all the election stuff in one place

CWU Reps will also need to be aware that the Poll Cards, which also attract the normal unit payments (1st, 2nd Class, DNA, PCMO) are due to be delivered in line with their product specification, although we have made the point that there should be a sensible and pragmatic approach to this that allows for some flexibility where necessary.


So this means that Poll cards have all to be delivered on the day they arrive at the DO, even if they are "2nd" class because anything that arrives at a DO that is 2nd class has already been held a day at the mail center, unless it is marked as deferred mail.

Wow I thought the DOM was talking rubbish when he insisted that this is the case but I guess he was right for the first time ever

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

10 May 2017, 15:22

We received our polling cards yesterday and were told if you want to deliver them all today you will get paid,otherwise no payment.Our office is very poorly run and I will stick book as per agreement.

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

10 May 2017, 19:30

I've heard that some offices are getting 3p per polling card , whereas some are getting 6p per item . WHY ?

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

10 May 2017, 20:22

we get number of drops x 2.5 x 5p per card

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

11 May 2017, 12:23

TheTrolleyMan wrote:I've heard that some offices are getting 3p per polling card , whereas some are getting 6p per item . WHY ?


The result of a national agreement and local historical ones. See my reply in this thread to wheresourmoney for the formula.

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

13 May 2017, 01:01

Does anybody know if the election leaflets we receive as D2D attract a payment?

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

13 May 2017, 09:22

What happens if you throw all your poll cards in but cannot go over due to childcare commitments.? We weren't told on the day as none of the managers knew. Now they are saying you don't get paid anything at all unless you completed your round. If we'd known this the poll cards could have been left out for the day after. Over 3 quarters of both park and loop rounds were delivered that we're told we wont be paid for.

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

13 May 2017, 11:55

bedhead wrote:What happens if you throw all your poll cards in but cannot go over due to childcare commitments.? We weren't told on the day as none of the managers knew. Now they are saying you don't get paid anything at all unless you completed your round. If we'd known this the poll cards could have been left out for the day after. Over 3 quarters of both park and loop rounds were delivered that we're told we wont be paid for.



Its garbage, you deliver them you get paid. They told us the same but then changed their minds. The agreement still stands.

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

13 May 2017, 16:52

We were told by management we have 3 days to deliver Polling cards, we get paid 4.2p for each card,
We had to count each one and sign a sheet with the amount we've done, pay no etc...
We've now heard (hopefully just a rumour) that we'll not be being paid for it!!
it took effing ages to count them and sort & they weren't even sequenced!
whats the score?

ELECTION MATERIAL:EXTENDED DELIVERY OVERTIME ISSUE:AND MORE:UPDATE:GE JUNE 8 2017

17 May 2017, 17:36

The national agreement is 2.5 a house at 5p we had 3 days to do them,and you can cut off and you will still get paid what you got done

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